Sbee0:
mythbuster1:
In the absence of free will, right and wrong do not exist. Things simply are what they are, and there is no “should.” The very fact that you concede it is possible to change the justice system proves you believe free will exists.
Youre right, they do not exist. As I said, without free will, I am completely a victim of my circumstances or environment and not a perpetrator of any crime“hero” for anything I might do to benefit others. I do not and cannot possibly take any responsibility for it, as it was an inevitable outcome.
Kind of telling I think that no defending lawyer I know of has attempted to argue this in court and won
Are you really saying that free will must exist because the justice system depends on it?
————— Circumstantial evidence for sure but it’s quite compelling I’d say

How on earth can you prosecute me successfully for a crime if ultimately the roots of what made me do it are beyond my control and beyond my decision? Why hasn’t anyone argued this?
That’s like saying Unicorns must exist because I’m planning to ride one to work in the morning.
———- Not really, as there is no evidence whatsoever that unicorns exist. There is evidence of free will.
As a believer, the existence of free will is indisputably the reason why there is evil in the world, as the lack of such free will would be a logical contradiction to the existence of an all-good Almighty God.
I think that says it all. The only way you can justify your belief in a God that allows evil to occur, is to believe that free will is real.
———— God doesn’t cause evil, it’s the natural or eventual outcome of our decisions made by our freedom / free will.
You’re making a necessity of something, which prevents you from considering rationally whether that thing is actually real.
But even the existence of free will doesn’t give God a get-out. If free will exists, my son has free will. But if I believed he was about to gun down an innocent person, I would do everything I could to stop him. “Free will” doesn’t mean everybody can just do whatever they want and nobody else has a moral obligation to intervene.
——- I’m sure you would. It does sound like you have a very different understanding of what we mean by free will than I do. Free will to me is the fact you, me, and every human being has the complete freedom and ability to decide to do something irrespective of morality or consequence. We have that ability, we are not programmed.
So if that moral obligation applies to us, why not to God? A hint: “because he’s God” would be a fallacious answer.