"If I were Pope" (Baptized Catholic males only)

[grasscutter]

If one truly understands the Gospel then one Truly understands legality and why it is important.
Why is it that preach the gospel to unite us in oneness usually means losing our identity?
When Jesus gave us the Church, he intended it to be legalistic. Or else we have failed for 2000 years to be the Church of God. Funny, in this day and age of literacy, freedom, and open gospel access in a church that has trended away from legalism for a while now some still cannot appreciate liturgy.

Umm… I believe that the Catholic Church contains the fullness of Truth. Jesus didn’t say “that upon this rock I will build many churches - pick the one you like”.

And, reading the Gospels, we see many examples of Our Lord and Saviour, the Son of God saying that, indeed, he was more interested in our being receptive to His and His Father and the Holy Spirit’s Grace than in legalism.

Again, Jesus did not intend the Church to be legalistic. Let’s all work towards welcoming people…

 

[Moore11]

Again, Jesus did not intend the Church to be legalistic. Let’s all work towards welcoming people…

Weird.

1. where do you get that idea of Jesus intentions?
2. what does altar rails and “rules” have to do with “welcoming”?

Remember that some of these rules are meant to welcome people to God. Kneeling, exclusion of non Catholics from communion etc all have very very Gospel oriented purposes.
I’m sorry you cannot see the Holiness of Legalism.
What a travesty if we did not have it. We need it.

 

[Dsivanish]

You would be surprised how many people think that God completely dropped the ball with this whole “Church” thing for the last 40+ years. Personally,** I find their lack of faith disturbing**.

You have my vote for winning the internet.

 

[grasscutter]

Weird.

1. where do you get that idea of Jesus intentions?
2. what does altar rails and “rules” have to do with “welcoming”?

Remember that some of these rules are meant to welcome people to God. Kneeling, exclusion of non Catholics from communion etc all have very very Gospel oriented purposes.
I’m sorry you cannot see the Holiness of Legalism.
What a travesty if we did not have it. We need it.

1. From the Gospels.
2. Perhaps my meaning was poorly expressed.
3. I actually don’t see the Holiness of Legalism.

What I’m trying to say is that thank God that I was infant baptized as a Catholic. If I were seeking Catholicism (and hopefully many people are), I would be disconcerted by the tone of people who are more intent on “worshipping worship” than on witnessing to the Gospel.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

I don’t feel that the two are mutually exclusive. Obedience to the law is part of following Christ, who came only to be obedient to the will of the Father, but at the same time discussion of externals, such as the merits of this form of the mass or that, must certainly come after the fundamentals, such as the nature of God, the fall of man, and the redemption of Christ. Just the same, it is better that our words and actions in the liturgy ought to reflect the realities of the gospel as we have received it, for this reason it is better that the Priest, who acts in persona Christi offering sacrifice for us to God, should face away from the crowd and toward both the tabernacle and the liturgical east. I hope by this example I’ve made clear the relationship between such “legal” matters and the gospel of Christ.

 

[Moore11]

1. From the Gospels.
2. Perhaps my meaning was poorly expressed.
3. I actually don’t see the Holiness of Legalism.

What I’m trying to say is that thank God that I was infant baptized as a Catholic. If I were seeking Catholicism (and hopefully many people are), I would be disconcerted by the tone of people who are more intent on “worshipping worship” than on witnessing to the Gospel.

You are being so vague. This thread provides you an excellent opportunity to clarify. You are Pope, rather than say “I wouldn’t be focused on legalism but rather Gospels” you could point out some examples. Or you could just continue to dodge with generalities and innuendo.

1. hmmmm I think the Gospels reflect and strengthen the Law. They are ultimately a fulfillment of the Law. That same law that commands us to probably preform the actions you are talking about. However, a good study of such Gospels and the later new testament Books show that Jesus and the Holy Spirit actually instituted a much more legally focused Church than we have now. If you think we are focused on legalism now, you should have been alive during other times of salvation history.
2. Yes.
   3)Too bad, that is a huge part of what God reveals to us. To fail to see the holyness and purpose of legalism is to fall into the road to hell called realativism.

But back to the purpose of the thread. You are pope. Be specific!

 

[LINVS]

1. Every parish to offer at least one Tridentine High Mass every Sunday or Day of Obligation.
2. Open all records of the priest abuse scandal; hand over all guilty parties to local authorities.
3. Require habits for all nuns and monks.
4. Ban homosexuals from the priesthood.
5. Excommunicate anyone who votes for a Pro Choice candidate.
6. No more Lifeteen masses
7. Crack down on all bad music at mass; no more solos by unqualified singers. Organ music and human voice only.
8. No Communion for inappropriately dressed people.
9. Communion kneeling in the mouth from a priest only.

 

[Usige]

To fail to see the holyness and purpose of legalism is to fall into the road to hell called realativism.

One comment then I’m out. I have to agree with you here.

I don’t think people should kneel because some law is put in place. Personally I want to fall on my face when in the presence of Christ in the Eucharist and I would hope most people feel the same. I think that kneeling shows reverence and humility. Standing to me is like saying, “Yo, Jesus.” and more of an exchange of equals which we most certainly are not. The law is there to guide people to right thought through right action. We don’t have civil laws just to force people to do things, but to reinforce when things are wrong. Most people don’t commit murder because it’s against the law, but rather an inherent understanding of the sanctity of life. But then moral relativism creeps in and now abortion is okay. A law against abortion would reinforce that all life is sacred. In the same way kneeling reinforces the utter insignificance of us and the fact that we are not worth to receive the Lord.

Legalism to me is a way to remind people of the truths that Christ proclaimed. As he says, he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. If Christ fulfills the law why should we ignore it?

 

[klm120861]

Well here is one Catholic guy’s view…opinion…Chris Matthews of MSNBC’s Hardball TV Show…a practicing Catholic in the Pew every Sunday…God Love him!

mediaite.com/tv/matthews-new-pope-reforms-church-we-got-meat-on-fridays-we-would-have-rather-had-birth-control/

Okay, first, let me say I will never, ever in a billion years be elligible for the job, as I missed the most basic requirement at birth. Thank God:clapping::dancing::yyeess:

However, I had to respond to this post, especially where the most esteemed Mr. Matthews says no priest has ever preached against birth control. Maybe not at his parish, but at mine…fairly frequently and bluntly. Which I, for one, appreciate. A lot.
Kris

 

[Julianna]

1. Every parish to offer at least one Tridentine High Mass every Sunday or Day of Obligation. reasonable
2. Open all records of the priest abuse scandal; hand over all guilty parties to local authorities.** agreed**
3. Require habits for all nuns and monks. ** you lost me…won’t matter either way**
4. Ban homosexuals from the priesthood. You will need a good snitch for that one.
5. Excommunicate anyone who votes for a Pro Choice candidate.YOu better call John Ashcroft and ask him if has any more spy gear left over from the Patriot Act. And right to privacy in the voting booth, really? Will you employ snitches to find out who voted for who? Really…that is wayyyyyy over the top.
6. No more Lifeteen massesCongratulations you just made all the Baptists, Pentacostals, very very happy…they will love the Catholic teens coming to their Sunday Night Live Youth groups, oh and Wednesdays too.
7. Crack down on all bad music at mass; no more solos by unqualified singers. Organ music and human voice only.What is this, The Gong Show? American Idol? What is bad music to you may not be to the person sitting next to you? Did we leave America and I didn’t get the memo?
8. No Communion for inappropriately dressed people. burkhas for all the women folk and hats too.
9. Communion kneeling in the mouth from a priest only.

I’ll be sure to help my husband to the floor, he has MS, and get the hairy eyeball from the parishoners behind him, should he stumble.

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. After item 2, you lost me and over 1/2 the Catholics in America.

 

[devoutchristian]

I’ll be sure to help my husband to the floor, he has MS, and get the hairy eyeball from the parishoners behind him, should he stumble.

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. After item 2, you lost me and over 1/2 the Catholics in America.

Perhaps you should be more respectful of opinions that you disagree with.

 

[Julianna]

Perhaps you should be more respectful of opinions that you disagree with.

As a woman, I am thankful that I have the right to vote, to work for equal pay, to join the military and serve my country, to own land, to have my own purse/money, to work outside the home, or not. To be a teacher, firefighter or to join the religious as a nun. I also have the right to voice “my” opinion and thoughts about a post that takes conservatism to a whole new level it would make Rick Santorum look like a Relativist/Progressive.

The post to which I commented does nothing to bring in lost Catholics, fallen away Catholics, new converts, keep teens in the Church long after Confirmation at age 12/13, much less Catholics who have been faithful their entire lives. I always looked to the Pope as person of strong faith, leadership, compassion and a deep understanding of Catholics from all over the world. I saw two things, reasonable, the remainder I addressed. The respect was lost from item 3 on down.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

1. Every parish to offer at least one Tridentine High Mass every Sunday or Day of Obligation. reasonable
2. Open all records of the priest abuse scandal; hand over all guilty parties to local authorities. agreed
3. Require habits for all nuns and monks. you lost me…won’t matter either way No strong opinion
4. Ban homosexuals from the priesthood. You will need a good snitch for that one. Well, perhaps he means those who give scandal by publicly proclaiming their homosexuality as an identity rather than as a cross?
5. Excommunicate anyone who votes for a Pro Choice candidate.YOu better call John Ashcroft and ask him if has any more spy gear left over from the Patriot Act. And right to privacy in the voting booth, really? Will you employ snitches to find out who voted for who? Really…that is wayyyyyy over the top. I’m fairly certain he means those who do so publicly, unless it is a latae sententiae excommunication in which case God knows who you voted for and that is enough for it to take effect.
6. No more Lifeteen masses Congratulations you just made all the Baptists, Pentacostals, very very happy…they will love the Catholic teens coming to their Sunday Night Live Youth groups, oh and Wednesdays too. I agree that outright supressing the organization might not be the way to go.
7. Crack down on all bad music at mass; no more solos by unqualified singers. Organ music and human voice only.What is this, The Gong Show? American Idol? What is bad music to you may not be to the person sitting next to you? Did we leave America and I didn’t get the memo? Yes we did. in this hypothetical we are in Rome. I would be careful of giving an inordinate degree of importance to American ideals over catholic ideals. Liturgical music ought to raise our hearts to heaven, and a lot of what is used today is no better than a baptist rock concert.
8. No Communion for inappropriately dressed people. burkhas for all the women folk and hats too. The hats are coming back, and I see no reason why not, as it is an ancient discipline from the time of the apostles.
9. Communion kneeling in the mouth from a priest only.I’ll be sure to help my husband to the floor, he has MS, and get the hairy eyeball from the parishoners behind him, should he stumble. I’m sure there would be exemption from this for the disabled.

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. After item 2, you lost me and over 1/2 the Catholics in America.I think you’re being a little unfair; you’ve taken him in the worst possible light at every point.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

As a woman, I am thankful that I have the right to vote, to work for equal pay, to join the military and serve my country, to own land, to have my own purse/money, to work outside the home, or not. To be a teacher, firefighter or to join the religious as a nun. I also have the right to voice “my” opinion and thoughts about a post that takes conservatism to a whole new level it would make Rick Santorum look like a Relativist/Progressive.

What does your gender have to do with this? you shouldn’t be so sexist.

The post to which I commented does nothing to bring in lost Catholics, fallen away Catholics, new converts, keep teens in the Church long after Confirmation at age 12/13, much less Catholics who have been faithful their entire lives.

Duly noted.

I always looked to the Pope as person of strong faith, leadership, compassion and a deep understanding of Catholics from all over the world.

This is admirable.

I saw two things, reasonable, the remainder I addressed. The respect was lost from item 3 on down.

That loss of respect is what we are talking about. We can disagree, even emphatically so, without being disrespectful.

 

[Julianna]

1. Every parish to offer at least one Tridentine High Mass every Sunday or Day of Obligation. reasonable
2. Open all records of the priest abuse scandal; hand over all guilty parties to local authorities. agreed
3. Require habits for all nuns and monks. you lost me…won’t matter either way No strong opinion
4. Ban homosexuals from the priesthood. You will need a good snitch for that one. Well, perhaps he means those who give scandal by publicly proclaiming their homosexuality as an identity rather than as a cross?
5. Excommunicate anyone who votes for a Pro Choice candidate.YOu better call John Ashcroft and ask him if has any more spy gear left over from the Patriot Act. And right to privacy in the voting booth, really? Will you employ snitches to find out who voted for who? Really…that is wayyyyyy over the top. I’m fairly certain he means those who do so publicly, unless it is a latae sententiae excommunication in which case God knows who you voted for and that is enough for it to take effect.
6. No more Lifeteen masses Congratulations you just made all the Baptists, Pentacostals, very very happy…they will love the Catholic teens coming to their Sunday Night Live Youth groups, oh and Wednesdays too. I agree that outright supressing the organization might not be the way to go.
7. Crack down on all bad music at mass; no more solos by unqualified singers. Organ music and human voice only.What is this, The Gong Show? American Idol? What is bad music to you may not be to the person sitting next to you? Did we leave America and I didn’t get the memo? Yes we did. in this hypothetical we are in Rome. I would be careful of giving an inordinate degree of importance to American ideals over catholic ideals. Liturgical music ought to raise our hearts to heaven, and a lot of what is used today is no better than a baptist rock concert.
8. No Communion for inappropriately dressed people. burkhas for all the women folk and hats too. The hats are coming back, and I see no reason why not, as it is an ancient discipline from the time of the apostles.
9. Communion kneeling in the mouth from a priest only.I’ll be sure to help my husband to the floor, he has MS, and get the hairy eyeball from the parishoners behind him, should he stumble. I’m sure there would be exemption from this for the disabled.

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. After item 2, you lost me and over 1/2 the Catholics in America.I think you’re being a little unfair; you’ve taken him in the worst possible light at every point.

Looks to me like the posters list was quite to the point, and clear as day. Otherwise, he should have placed disclaimers or further explanations. He didn’t. He gave us the feedback to the question in very precise manner.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

Looks to me like the posters list was quite to the point, and clear as day. Otherwise, he should have placed disclaimers or further explanations. He didn’t. He gave us the feedback to the question in very precise manner.

: As we have seen his response to the question wasn’t precise enough to avoid confusion.

 

[devoutchristian]

As a woman, I am thankful that I have the right to vote, to work for equal pay, to join the military and serve my country, to own land, to have my own purse/money, to work outside the home, or not. To be a teacher, firefighter or to join the religious as a nun.

And as a logical person I’m glad that I don’t use red herrings in my arguments. What’s your point?

That loss of respect is what we are talking about. We can disagree, even emphatically so, without being disrespectful.

he should have placed disclaimers or further explanations.

That the disabled would not be required to kneel is kind of implied.

 

[Julianna]

1. Every parish to offer at least one Tridentine High Mass every Sunday or Day of Obligation. reasonable
2. Open all records of the priest abuse scandal; hand over all guilty parties to local authorities. agreed
3. Require habits for all nuns and monks. you lost me…won’t matter either way No strong opinion
4. Ban homosexuals from the priesthood. You will need a good snitch for that one. Well, perhaps he means those who give scandal by publicly proclaiming their homosexuality as an identity rather than as a cross?
5. Excommunicate anyone who votes for a Pro Choice candidate.YOu better call John Ashcroft and ask him if has any more spy gear left over from the Patriot Act. And right to privacy in the voting booth, really? Will you employ snitches to find out who voted for who? Really…that is wayyyyyy over the top. I’m fairly certain he means those who do so publicly, unless it is a latae sententiae excommunication in which case God knows who you voted for and that is enough for it to take effect.
6. No more Lifeteen masses Congratulations you just made all the Baptists, Pentacostals, very very happy…they will love the Catholic teens coming to their Sunday Night Live Youth groups, oh and Wednesdays too. I agree that outright supressing the organization might not be the way to go.
7. Crack down on all bad music at mass; no more solos by unqualified singers. Organ music and human voice only.What is this, The Gong Show? American Idol? What is bad music to you may not be to the person sitting next to you? Did we leave America and I didn’t get the memo? Yes we did. in this hypothetical we are in Rome.** I would be careful of giving an inordinate degree of importance to American ideals over catholic ideals. **Liturgical music ought to raise our hearts to heaven, and a lot of what is used today is no better than a baptist rock concert.
8. No Communion for inappropriately dressed people. burkhas for all the women folk and hats too. The hats are coming back, and I see no reason why not, as it is an ancient discipline from the time of the apostles.
9. Communion kneeling in the mouth from a priest only.I’ll be sure to help my husband to the floor, he has MS, and get the hairy eyeball from the parishoners behind him, should he stumble. I’m sure there would be exemption from this for the disabled.

Unbelievable, just unbelievable. After item 2, you lost me and over 1/2 the Catholics in America.I think you’re being a little unfair; you’ve taken him in the worst possible light at every point.

American ideals do factor into this. As American Catholics make up a large part of the Church. The Church goers of today are not in the same mindset as their grandparents and great parents who came to this country with little or no education. Back in the day, if a priest or religious said it, it was true. Now days that doesn’t hold water, because people have realized, that the Church is made up of human beings with all their human baggage, from the parishioner in the pew to the Pope. All are human and mortal.

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

American ideals do factor into this. As American Catholics make up a large part of the Church.The Church goers of today are not in the same mindset as their grandparents and great parents who came to this country with little or no education.

That is irrelevant; the church is an absolute monarchy.

Back in the day, if a priest or religious said it, it was true. Now days that doesn’t hold water, because people have realized, that the Church is made up of human beings with all their human baggage, from the parishioner in the pew to the Pope. All are human and mortal.

Except for Christ who has appointed priest, bishop, and pope over us as our legitimate spiritual superiors who we are to receive as him who sent them. He who rejects them rejects Christ and the Father who sent him.

 

[Bl_Pope_Pius_IX]

HYPOTHETICAL PONTIFICATE OF POPE PIUS XIII
Part II

• Curial Appointments

Secretariat of State: Giuseppe Cardinal Bertello

Doctrine of the Faith: Raymond Cardinal Burke
Commission Ecclesia Dei: Antonio Cardinal Llovera
Biblical Commission: Gerhard Cardinal Muller
Int. Theological Comm.: CDF
Interdic. Comm. CCC: ABOLISHED

Oriental Churches: Leonardo Cardinal Sandri

Divine Worship: Luis Cardinal Tagle

Causes of Saints: Angelo Cardinal Amato

Evangelization of Peoples: Fernando Cardinal Filoni

Congregation for Clergy: Sean Cardinal O’Malley

Institutes of Consecrated Life: Robert Cardinal Finn

Congregation for Catholic Education: Fabian Cardinal Bruskewitz

Congregation for Bishops: Timothy Cardinal Dolan

Apostolic Penitentiary: George Cardinal Pell

Apostolic Signatura: Agostino Vallini

Rota Roma: Remains

Pont. Council for Laity: Stanislaw Cardinal Rylko
Pont. Council for Christian Unity: MERGED WITH COR UNUM
Pont. Council for the Family: Vincenzo Paglia
Pont. Council for Justice and Peace: Peter cardinal Turkson
Pont. Council Cor Unum: Robert Cardinal Sarah
Pont. Council for Migrants and Itinerants: Daniel Cardinal DiNardo
Pont. Council for Healthcare Workers: Zygmunt Zimoski
Pont. Council for Legislative Texts: Ennio Cardinal Antonelli
Pont. Council for Interreligious Dialogue: Jean-Louis Cardinal Tauran
Pont. Council for Culture: ABOLISHED
Pont. Council for Social Communications: ABOLISHED

I got bored and figured since I had no life any way I’d just go on to further prove it. So that is my list of, if I was to be named Pope, how I would figure the Curia. This list works in conjunction with the election of myself as put forth on page 1 of this thread.