If I'm Baptized, Shouldn't I Have The Right To Communion Too?

[amber_lux]

Except I find it a little vulgar.

That was the cleaned up version.

Amber

 

[PRmerger]

That was the cleaned up version.

Amber

Yeah.

I don’t get using “dirty” versions for something so beautiful and holy.

It’s like calling the most miraculous event of your life, say, giving birth to your child, a dirty name.

Let’s give an example here…I’m making this up now…Ooooh! I’ve got one: “I scrogged out 4 babies.” It just sounds vulgar, no?

 

[cheese_puff]

This topic reminds me of a post I read a while back off a simular thread, and I find it amusingly true!
…why is it that no one ever whines about not being able to go to confession? lol

 

[runningdude]

Just some food for thought here. This thread was started by one poster, whom I will assume was asking a good faith question about the Eucharist. This thread has now over 125 posts over eight pages, and the OP has only posted one response to his original question.

I personally feel its just a wee bit overwhelming or even intimidating to throw this much information at a new member. Do others feel the same way about this thread or others that have similarly gone off in a far other direction than the OP intended?

 

[PRmerger]

This topic reminds me of a post I read a while back off a simular thread, and I find it amusingly true!
…why is it that no one ever whines about not being able to go to confession? lol

haHA. Funny. And true.

So this question is addressed specifically to 1voice: are you mad that these Christians in Cali can’t go to confession until the want to be Catholic?

 

[KathleenGee]

If these in Cali showed true and sincere faith in seeking full communion, they would be most welcomed to join RCIA, go through the rites of initiation, and be totally accepted into the Catholic Church…the same path all others took who were once former non-Catholics!!

 

[1voice]

Just some food for thought here. This thread was started by one poster, whom I will assume was asking a good faith question about the Eucharist. This thread has now over 125 posts over eight pages, and the OP has only posted one response to his original question.

I personally feel its just a wee bit overwhelming or even intimidating to throw this much information at a new member. Do others feel the same way about this thread or others that have similarly gone off in a far other direction than the OP intended?

The OP asked a good question that deserved attention and response. A variety of perspectives and points of view is the purpose of this part of the website.

 

[pablope]

And how do you know that there is no difference in how the HS works? Are you of the substance that you are able to see how the HS works?

And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

Why do you attempt to negate the value of those that laid their lives down and proved their Christianity … openly?
… and replace it with a scenario that fits your paradigm.

My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Matt 6:

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

The Apostles’ Creed
circa 300 A.D.

So, you may know the Apostles creed…as a summit of what the CC teaches…but do you fully understand what the CC teaches?

Heres a good example:
quote pablope:
And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

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… so it wasnt anything to do with the people that actually confessed Jesus openly in the face of death … and laid down their lives?

Sorry, I do not understand the point you are trying to make here.

The author asked why he cant receive Catholic Communion … I showed clearly that Non Catholics are 100% as Christian in every way according to the definition of a Christian … as any Catholic … and that any rule denying access to Communion is therefore religious.

And how do you know what is a 100% Christian? Or rather, what is the definition of a 100% Christian?

Matt 7:2121“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

 

[PRmerger]

The OP asked a good question that deserved attention and response. A variety of perspectives and points of view is the purpose of this part of the website.

'zactly.

When a post is made, it’s not intended for only 1 member to read–but all are invited to join the discourse.

And as normal dialogue has tributaries and side discussions, so, too does virtual dialogue.

 

[1voice]

Quote pablope:

And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

Quote 1voice:
Why do you attempt to negate the value of those that laid their lives down and proved their Christianity … openly?
… and replace it with a scenario that fits your paradigm.

Quote pablope:
My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Matt 6:

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

Quote 1voice:
It is fascinating to see how you do it.
I tell a story of a great victory by dedicated Christians against an enemy that has controlled their city for decades … drug related violence … murder… hell on earth.
With a few strokes you take their amazing victory and make it your own …and then proceed to diminish their great testimony to the power of Jesus Christ in comparison to your creation out of thin air.

 

[1voice]

Quote pablope:

And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

Quote 1voice:
Why do you attempt to negate the value of those that laid their lives down and proved their Christianity … openly?
… and replace it with a scenario that fits your paradigm.

Quote pablope:
My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Matt 6:

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

Quote 1voice:
It is fascinating to see how you hijacked their victory.
I tell a story of a great victory by dedicated Christians against an enemy that has controlled their city for decades … drug related violence … murder… hell on earth.
With a few strokes you take their amazing victory and an create an entirely different story based on your pardigm …and then proceed to diminish their great testimony to the power of Jesus Christ in comparison to your creation out of thin air.

 

[1voice]

Quote pablope:

And how do you know that Catholics were not praying for the same thing? Only silently? And asked for the intercession of the Saints that finally defeated the cartels?

Quote 1voice:
Why do you attempt to negate the value of those that laid their lives down and proved their Christianity … openly?
… and replace it with a scenario that fits your paradigm.

Quote pablope:
My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Matt 6:

5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

Quote 1voice:
It is fascinating to see how you hijacked their victory.
I tell a story of a great victory by dedicated Christians against an enemy that has controlled their city for decades … drug related violence … murder… hell on earth.
With a few strokes you take their story of amazing victory and arbitrarily add and subtract based on your paradigm …and then proceed to use your version to diminish their great testimony to the power of Jesus Christ … in comparison to your creation out of thin air.

 

[East_Anglican]

Jesus said take this all of you in rememberance of me. So if you are baptised you should be allowed to partake in the sacrement. The problem is that rather then recieving it with thanksgiving the church in the west has spent a considerable amount of time over the centuries philosophying about it.

 

[You]

And you would need to be sure you are worthy to receive it else you shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. How does one know one receives it worthily?

 

[asd72]

I think you are seeing the Catholic requirement of being in full communion of the Church before receiving the Eucharist as a rejection 1voice, when it is not that at all. It is the belief of Catholism that the Eucharist is the Body Blood Soul and Divinity of Jesus.

Please read 1Cor 11:27-30. It is important to us to honour Christ and protect partakers from eating and drinking judgement on themselves.

The Catholic Church believes in joining with other Christians where we have a common cause, there many ministries such as assisting the poor and pro-life work where Catholics and non Catholic Christian work together.

We want unity, Jesus wants unity, but it is meaningless and much like the false relativism that is so common today, if we simply say the Eucharist is a symbol for some, and the Real Presence for others. There IS ultimate truth.

You are free to reject the teaching regarding the Eucharist that the Catholic Church proclaims. Let’s work together where we are in agreement as brothers and sisters in Christ, and keep dialogue open to achieve real unity.

.

 

[rinnie]

This topic reminds me of a post I read a while back off a simular thread, and I find it amusingly true!
…why is it that no one ever whines about not being able to go to confession? lol

Now that is somethng my Dad would have said!!

 

[rinnie]

And you would need to be sure you are worthy to receive it else you shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. How does one know one receives it worthily?

Only you know that. Are you in a State of Mortal sin, if you do not know what mortal sin is, look it up in the CCC. It will explain it. If you are then you cannot got until you go to confession.

But what you asked is proof why a Priest is needed and CCD is required and needed. Because there are many like you that do not even KNOW if they are in a state of sin.

That is why you must understand the teachings of Christ. Another part of the bible people either miss, or do not understand.

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Jesus said take this all of you in rememberance of me. So if you are baptised you should be allowed to partake in the sacrement. The problem is that rather then recieving it with thanksgiving the church in the west has spent a considerable amount of time over the centuries philosophying about it.

As an Anglican, you probably have a closer understanding to what the Catholic Eucharist is than many other Protestants . . .but Jesus did not say, "take this, no matter what you think it is, take this, in defiance of good manners, as a demand; take this, even though you are not in agreement with Catholic teachings. . .and He didn’t even say, “Take this, if you’re a baptized Christian, whether you’re in mortal sin or not.”

We need to be careful that we don’t read into Christ’s words things He did not say. Especially if they contradict the teachings of the Catholic Church–instituted by Christ, guided by the Holy Spirit, and guaranteed free of error in teachings on faith and morals–which would include ANY AND ALL OF ITS TEACHINGS ON THE EUCHARIST.

Once again, any person, baptized Christian or not, is free to approach the Catholic Church, to learn, to become a member, and then, in a state of grace, to receive worthily its sacraments. It is up to YOU to respond to the invitation, or to decline, but do not state that by declining the invitation it is the Church rejecting or ‘discriminating against’ YOU, for it is the other way around.

 

[jlhargus]

Quote pablope: My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Matt 6:5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

JL: The one, in verse 6, who went into his room, closed the door and prayed to the Father, who is unseen. who sees what is done in secret.

 

[1voice]

for clarity… you attributed a quote to me, above, that was actually posted by pablope.

Quote pablope: My paradigm? You said those that prayed in staduims were very effective in the successful effort against the cartels…all I am pointing out to you is that there are also those who prayed silently, not to be seen in the stadiums…that could have also been praying as effectively.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pablope:
Matt 6:5“And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the truth, they have received their reward in full. 6But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you. 7And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans, for they think they will be heard because of their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

Who do you think follows the Biblical instructions more…those in the stadiums or those praying in silence?

JL: The one, in verse 6, who went into his room, closed the door and prayed to the Father, who is unseen. who sees what is done in secret.

The Jedi mind trick worked just as the the author intended.

He took a powerful Christian testimony… that went unmentioned til I brought it … as an example of the power of dedicated Christians … added to the story using assumptions weighted heavily in favor of his paradigm … and yours … and … like magic! … has you saying that his wisdom and insight trumps reality… and sucks the wind right out of what those precious martyrs and their families gave their lives for.

…The direct attack that someone attempted above … saying, that those people werent true Christians … didnt work … so now the strategy is to create an image of these people not really being too spiritual …and comparing it to a “created” image of true spirituality. Its a rabbit trail designed to diminish the value of what these people accomplished and prove that it was actually other people … that the author introduced into the story … that accomplished anything of real spiritual value.
Nice try … I’ll give it a 7