If Islam became the majority Religion in the UK

[ZAKI]

lol convulsions what a joke. Hey when I was reading the bible I was choking myself from the disgusting things in it… hahaa…

wasalam

 

[Charlotte2008]

lol convulsions what a joke. Hey when I was reading the bible I was choking myself from the disgusting things in it… hahaa…
wasalam

Think what you will - I am not joking. Muslims always laugh at Christians. Jesus always said he would be laughed at for following him and he was right. That did happen whether you believe me or not. You pray to God and ask him if the Bible is the word of God, read it and see what happens. I doubt very much you have read a Bible though.Your real problem is that you don’t understand how anyone reading quran can reject it. I have met a lot of people who have. The whole of islam rests on the integrity of mohammed and I do not understand how you could possibly think he is the perfect human being. That is getting off track though and has been discussed many times on other threads and am not about to get into all that again.

Planten - I did read the quran and that is my opinion of it. You come on this board as a muslim and insult our beliefs. We do not go on a muslim board and say you are wrong. So have some respect.

I shall pray for both of you that God takes away the hate you have for Christians and shows you the truth and guide you to the true path to salvation.

Peace

 

[OneTrueCathApos]

If Islam becomes the majority Religion in the United Kingdom, and Christians were a minority, would Christianity still be allowed to freely practiced? I would really like to hear a response from a Muslim on this.

Just look at the dying populations of Europe, it seems not long before Islam does become the majority Religion here, what with all the immigration. I once heard that either there would be a huge Christian resurgence in Europe, or Islam would become the dominant Religion here. Islam has already surpassed Catholicism as the largest religion on Earth.

They shouldn’t let this happen in their countries. It is the government’s fault for allowing them in. Look at Saudi Arabia. They will not let anyone in. Islam will never surpass Catholicism, you have it wrong. What you are seeing is loads of babies being born to the Muslim woman. They won’t surpass, but are very close.

 

[SyCarl]

They shouldn’t let this happen in their countries. It is the government’s fault for allowing them in. Look at Saudi Arabia. They will not let anyone in. Islam will never surpass Catholicism, you have it wrong. What you are seeing is loads of babies being born to the Muslim woman. They won’t surpass, but are very close.

Unfortunately Islam has surpassed Catholicism in numbers.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

 

[Kaninchen]

Unfortunately Islam has surpassed Catholicism in numbers.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

In what sense is that important? Just because, say, Pakistanis are breeding faster than, perhaps, Bolivians?

 

[dzheremi]

It’s not, on a world level, but sometimes people like to think it is.

If Christians spent half the time they spend fretting over the rise of Islam instead directing their energies to strengthening their own Churches and communities, we’d have much less of a reason to be worried about any demographic issues. As Abuna Chacour, Melkite Greek Catholic archbishop of Galilee has said, it is emigration that threatens Christianity in the Holy Land and the rest of the East. In the West, it is primarily indifferentism towards religion in general.

 

[ZAKI]

Think what you will - I am not joking. Muslims always laugh at Christians. Jesus always said he would be laughed at for following him and he was right. That did happen whether you believe me or not. You pray to God and ask him if the Bible is the word of God, read it and see what happens. I doubt very much you have read a Bible though.Your real problem is that you don’t understand how anyone reading quran can reject it. I have met a lot of people who have. The whole of islam rests on the integrity of mohammed and I do not understand how you could possibly think he is the perfect human being. That is getting off track though and has been discussed many times on other threads and am not about to get into all that again.

Planten - I did read the quran and that is my opinion of it. You come on this board as a muslim and insult our beliefs. We do not go on a muslim board and say you are wrong. So have some respect.

I shall pray for both of you that God takes away the hate you have for Christians and shows you the truth and guide you to the true path to salvation.

Peace

wth? i USED to be a christian…and you think i haven’t read the bible?

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

Unfortunately Islam has surpassed Catholicism in numbers.
timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article3653800.ece

alhamdullilah—great news.
but a bit old though…

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

wth? i USED to be a christian…and you think i haven’t read the bible?

wasalam

also i don’t hate christians…i dont hate anybody so the only thing you should be praying for is for god to remove the hate of islam from your own heart. read the Quran.

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

They shouldn’t let this happen in their countries. It is the government’s fault for allowing them in. Look at Saudi Arabia. They will not let anyone in. ** Islam will never surpass Catholicism, you have it wrong.** What you are seeing is loads of babies being born to the Muslim woman. They won’t surpass, but are very close.

In answer to the question of the person you quoted. The answer is yes. Christianity and all religions will be able to be freely practised by their adherants.

You are either very behind or very ignorant. Islam surpassed catholicism around 1 and a half to 2 years ago.

wasalam

 

[Charlotte2008]

wth? i USED to be a christian…and you think i haven’t read the bible?
wasalam

It is possible that you haven’t - many muslims have never read a quran and there are some Christians who probably don’t read a Bible either (which is bad). How you expect me to know you turned your back on Christ is beyond me.

I will just say that one who claims to be a messenger of God is expected to live a saintly life. He must not be given to lust, he must not be a sexual pervert, and he must not be a rapist, a highway robber, a war criminal, a mass murderer or an assassin. One who claims to be a messenger of God must have a superior character. He must stand above the vices of the people of his time. Yet Muhammad’s life is that of a gangster godfather. He raided merchant caravans, looted innocent people, massacred entire male populations and enslaved the women and children. He raped the women captured in war after killing their husbands and told his followers that it is okay to have sex with their captives and their “right hand possessions” (Quran 33:50) He assassinated those who criticized him and executed them when he came to power and became de facto despot of Arabia. Muhammad was bereft of human compassion. He was an obsessed man with his dreams of grandiosity and could not forgive those who stood in his way. Muhammad was a narcissist like Hitler, Saddam or Stalin. He was astute and knew how to manipulate people, but his emotional intelligence was less evolved than that of a 6-year-old child. He simply could not feel the pain of others. He brutally massacred thousands of innocent people and pillaged their wealth. His ambitions were big and as a narcissist he honestly believed he is entitled to do as he pleased and commit all sorts of crimes and his evil deeds are justified.

This issue however has been debated on many other threads and you are getting off track again.

 

[Charlotte2008]

In answer to the question of the person you quoted. The answer is yes. Christianity and all religions will be able to be freely practised by their adherants.

You are either very behind or very ignorant. Islam surpassed catholicism around 1 and a half to 2 years ago.

wasalam

Which sect would that be then considering Sunnis do not beleive Shias are muslims and none of the 73 sects believe the others are muslim? If you counted all denominations of Christians together (as you are clearly doing with islam) we still out number muslims so your argument is flawed.

Peace +

 

[planten]

They shouldn’t let this happen in their countries. It is the government’s fault for allowing them in. Look at Saudi Arabia. They will not let anyone in. Islam will never surpass Catholicism, you have it wrong. What you are seeing is loads of babies being born to the Muslim woman. They won’t surpass, but are very close.

**O T C Apos, please do not forget that teh British and the French and Italians had captured many Muslim land in the last centuries. There, they had some trouble holding onto power. They were imperial powers who invaded the Muslim lands.

In order to keep in power, they had to divide and rule. I hope you undertsand. What was to happen to those locals who supported the invaders, that when the Europeans left the Muslim lands, it was difficult for thier local Muslim supporters to survive in their own homeland.

So teh British and the French and Italians had to take some Muslims with them to their own country. Similar thing happened with Americans. They were in Vietnam and philipines and Japan. So the Americans had to admit some people of those countries into America.

That is the way it is. There is no harm if the immigrants respect the law of the land and behave in good manner. But you know, nobody is perfect.**…

 

[planten]

wth? i USED to be a christian…and you think i haven’t read the bible?

wasalam

**wth*ll, zaki you have smashed them on their head. You had been a christian and you must have read the bible. I was not a christian and I read the bibleNt Ot with great interest and enjoyment. Specially the chapters of mathew where jesus is teaching and preaching and telling, teaching by beutiful stories (examples, parables).

We read the bible and did not find much wrong with that. Whenthe christians start finding fault with our sacred books then we have to show them the mirror so that they can see their own faces. Otherwise, we have nothing against the bible or the christians or the Jews.

We believe that teh bibleNT and OT are both revealed books. That means much. While we believe that bibleNT is a revealed book and it was revealed to Jesus, it is funny things that christians deny that anything was revealed to Jesus. So what can we do?

I know that the Muslims have much misunderstanding of their own sacred book Quran. But christians are even in worse condition. (Sorry to say that).

I will write more in next post, about Muslims becoming a majorty or minority.**

 

[planten]

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There is too much of politics. If politics is avoided and christians and Muslims in UK turn to freedom of religion on non-political basis, there cannot be any danger of disturbance (take over.). But it needs special peaceful, non-political Muslims.

I can only give my example: If I was allowed complete freedom to practice my religion (Islam) in UK, I would not dare to venture into any politics. I would do nothing against the law as long as the government did not interfere in my religion. As I said, if I had the complete religous freedom… means i would teach my religion and preach my religion to all people. There may be conversions from christians and Hindus to Muslims, to my group. That should not be hindered. It should be allowed. that is peaceful preaching and conversions of all faiths should be allowed. The Muslims may leave islam and become a christian without fear.

This would be some kind of secular system. The King or Queen may be a christian. I will be faithful to the Queen and so will be all my followers. I will not try to establish any Islamic state, any Muslim government. It may happen that i may get many converts and the number of Muslims become more that the christians in UK. No harm. I will be faithful to the rulers and will never try to disrupt or overthrow the government. That would be my test. I should never fail in that test when my followers become more in number.

Actually, the test is on both sides. There is a test for the government that it does not oppress the Muslims. Then there is a test for the Muslims not to indulge into politics. This is an example of the chair versus prayer carpet.

I chose the prayer carpet and I do not even look towards the chair (power). I would leave the chair for the rulers. The power people (rulers) do not hinder my preaching and progress. We may get along well.

Even if the muslims heavily outnumber the christians in UK, say they become 90% of the population, it would not be right for me to upset the ruler. it would not be good for me to make the christian ruler unhappy.

Now take the case that Muslims become 99% in UK and there are only One % christians in UK, and the king or Queen would see all people Muslims around the throne and may like to step down. Would I permit the Queen to step down?? Never. I would (and should) hold the pillars of the throne with my own hands and not let the Queen step down from her thrown.

I would make sure that the Queen reigns forever. I would sing the song “God save the Queen.” I would make sure that the offsprings (children) of the Queen keep on ruling for many generations. She will be a christian and I will be an obedient Muslim servant to her. So will be all person who will be with me. They will all be faithful servants of the Queen.

The good that I will spread by my preaching and many persons converting to Islam would not be entirely my good work. It will be in fact be the good work of the christian monarch who had good laws of freedom of all faiths in her country. It will all be her good work. i.e. not to oppress any public about their religion.

I now this is only a hypothetical case. It is almost impossible. But that is how it should be in all countries, in the Muslim as well as in the christian countries. Their should be no hatred or religious wars i.e Jihad or Crusades. There is not to be spread of any religion by force or weapons. That is Islam. That had been the teaching of all prophets. None of the prophets wanted any political supermacy. None of them, Abraham or jacob or Moses or Jesus or Muhammad, none of them wanted to become a great Lord.

If any mistake, please forgive. And my above writing does not apply to the Jihadi Muslims in UK or to any group of Muslims who are now living in UK unless they are completely law abiding and very peaceful. Any one yearning to establish a Shariyat government in any country of the world is greatly mistaken. I know many Muslims, jama’at islami party and the Muslim Brotherhood (of Egypt) spent most of their time teaching Militant Jihad to the poor Muslims. That was all wrong and a sin. Jihad in present day can only be friendly discussions, peaceful preaching and love (not hatred.) Jihad cannot be to grab the land.**

 

[jakasaki]

wth? i USED to be a christian…and you think i haven’t read the bible?

wasalam

Ahhh yes, you were an atheist, a Christian and a muslim all by the age of 15. :yawn:

You are very knowledgeable young grasshopper…

 

[ms_alternative]

so the views in his book are going to be completely different to the views that he had in that interview which I linked to? If trash comes out from the bin, trash will come out from another. (i.e: if trash comes out from one of the liars books/interviews then in another book/interview trash will come out of it as well).


wasalam

are you referring to the catholic crusades or the witch burnings or priest raping little children what trash are you talking about. just because a lot of trash comes from the catholic church it is still from god

 

[Charlotte2008]

**
There is too much of politics. If politics is avoided and christians and Muslims in UK turn to freedom of religion on non-political basis, there cannot be any danger of disturbance (take over.). But it needs special peaceful, non-political Muslims.

I can only give my example: If I was allowed complete freedom to practice my religion (Islam) in UK, I would not dare to venture into any politics. I would do nothing against the law as long as the government did not interfere in my religion. As I said, if I had the complete religous freedom… means i would teach my religion and preach my religion to all people. There may be conversions from christians and Hindus to Muslims, to my group. That should not be hindered. It should be allowed. that is peaceful preaching and conversions of all faiths should be allowed. The Muslims may leave islam and become a christian without fear.

This would be some kind of secular system. The King or Queen may be a christian. I will be faithful to the Queen and so will be all my followers. I will not try to establish any Islamic state, any Muslim government. It may happen that i may get many converts and the number of Muslims become more that the christians in UK. No harm. I will be faithful to the rulers and will never try to disrupt or overthrow the government. That would be my test. I should never fail in that test when my followers become more in number.

Actually, the test is on both sides. There is a test for the government that it does not oppress the Muslims. Then there is a test for the Muslims not to indulge into politics. This is an example of the chair versus prayer carpet.

I chose the prayer carpet and I do not even look towards the chair (power). I would leave the chair for the rulers. The power people (rulers) do not hinder my preaching and progress. We may get along well.

Even if the muslims heavily outnumber the christians in UK, say they become 90% of the population, it would not be right for me to upset the ruler. it would not be good for me to make the christian ruler unhappy.

Now take the case that Muslims become 99% in UK and there are only One % christians in UK, and the king or Queen would see all people Muslims around the throne and may like to step down. Would I permit the Queen to step down?? Never. I would (and should) hold the pillars of the throne with my own hands and not let the Queen step down from her thrown.

I would make sure that the Queen reigns forever. I would sing the song “God save the Queen.” I would make sure that the offsprings (children) of the Queen keep on ruling for many generations. She will be a christian and I will be an obedient Muslim servant to her. So will be all person who will be with me. They will all be faithful servants of the Queen.

The good that I will spread by my preaching and many persons converting to Islam would not be entirely my good work. It will be in fact be the good work of the christian monarch who had good laws of freedom of all faiths in her country. It will all be her good work. i.e. not to oppress any public about their religion.

I now this is only a hypothetical case. It is almost impossible. But that is how it should be in all countries, in the Muslim as well as in the christian countries. Their should be no hatred or religious wars i.e Jihad or Crusades. There is not to be spread of any religion by force or weapons. That is Islam. That had been the teaching of all prophets. None of the prophets wanted any political supermacy. None of them, Abraham or jacob or Moses or Jesus or Muhammad, none of them wanted to become a great Lord.

If any mistake, please forgive. And my above writing does not apply to the Jihadi Muslims in UK or to any group of Muslims who are now living in UK unless they are completely law abiding and very peaceful. Any one yearning to establish a Shariyat government in any country of the world is greatly mistaken. I know many Muslims, jama’at islami party and the Muslim Brotherhood (of Egypt) spent most of their time teaching Militant Jihad to the poor Muslims. That was all wrong and a sin. Jihad in present day can only be friendly discussions, peaceful preaching and love (not hatred.) Jihad cannot be to grab the land.**

I have heard islamists say this often. Fact is muslims want to preach islam to everyone but would they allow Christians to freely preach in mosques and muslim areas (especially Blackburn and Leicester) to tell muslims about Jesus Christ and Christianity? No, I doubt it. These double standards apply in every muslim country daily. Islam was never spread peacefully and would not be spread peacefully in the future either. What are “peaceful” muslims doing to stop jihadists though - I would really LOVE to know? Muslims always demand respect for islam but have NO respect for anyone else’s beliefs and never will. Also, for muslims to leave islam peacefully would mean reformation and I very much doubt that would even happen either. If you think it is possible join these people in their quest reformislam.org/

 

[ZAKI]

Ahhh yes, you were an atheist, a Christian and a muslim all by the age of 15. :yawn:

You are very knowledgeable young grasshopper…

well actually i was sort of atheist sort of agnostic…
I just didn’t really care about God and religion…get me?

wasalam

 

[ZAKI]

It is possible that you haven’t - many muslims have never read a quran and there are some Christians who probably don’t read a Bible either (which is bad). How you expect me to know you turned your back on Christ is beyond me.

Yes I understand what you mean. I currently go to a christian based school and used to go to a christian only school-there were many who didnt even care about christianity some had lost their virginity at 13! It was disgusting. And even worse these christians were the ones who were kind of looked up to in school and respected and the religious ones were sort of respected but a different kind of respect and they were generally left alone.

wasalam