If Islam became the majority Religion in the UK

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in the fact across the Muslim world you can find beautiful ancient churches and temples which are traced back to before the Muslim rule. Case in point Jerusalem, Bethleham, and Nazereth…
… All ransacked by muslim saracens. Richard I “the Lionhearted”, King of England can definitely attest to that.
Secondly, there was never a war fought by the Muslims anywhere near Indonesia. Indonesia is the most densely populated Muslim country of close to 200 million Muslims whose ancestors learned of Islam through traders and merchants from the Persian Gulf.
All but a bunch of lies…read The History of the Jihad against Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand & Philippines. One Indonesian king was DUPED into believing that the Arab muslim traders are really peaceful… and the rest of that poor country also believed.
well , you can find million of answers for your question , but if you asked me or any other muslims about whether islam ordered muslims to persecute the people of other religions , then the answer will be : " absolutly not " 🙂
Ok maybe Heresy can be spelled this way H E A R S A Y. muhammad really thought you well.
 
All but a bunch of lies…read The History of the Jihad against Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand & Philippines. One Indonesian king was DUPED into believing that the Arab muslim traders are really peaceful… and the rest of that poor country also believed.
how reliable and unbiased site is that to get true knowledge from it !!!

i invite you to read this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia_(1200_to_1600

peace
 
how reliable and unbiased site is that to get true knowledge from it !!!

i invite you to read this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia_(1200_to_1600

peace
You know elwill - everytime a Christian posts something from wikipedia - muslims argue that it is false information and that **anyone **can create a wiki page.

However,

Everytime a muslim uses wikipedia for their favor, it’s all good in the neighborhood.
 
how reliable and unbiased site is that to get true knowledge from it !!!

i invite you to read this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Indonesia

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_spread_of_Islam_in_Indonesia_(1200_to_1600)

peace
Sorry but this is of topic, but WIKIPEDIA? Nonsense. Try a reliable source Encyclopedia Britannica on this peaceful islamic history. Read the part on Islamic influence in Indonesia » Muslims in Java.

It says, The MILITANT character of coastal Islam was evident in the enforced imposition of the new faith on western Java and also on Palembang in southern Sumatra.

Militant, Enforced, Imposition? Yes it is peaceful in islamic dictionary?:rolleyes:
 
You know elwill - everytime a Christian posts something from wikipedia - muslims argue that it is false information and that **anyone **can create a wiki page.

However,

Everytime a muslim uses wikipedia for their favor, it’s all good in the neighborhood.
Yes! Agreed! I really wonder why:rolleyes:.
 
You know elwill - everytime a Christian posts something from wikipedia - muslims argue that it is false information and that **anyone **can create a wiki page.

However,

Everytime a muslim uses wikipedia for their favor, it’s all good in the neighborhood.
well , i don’t remember that i did that before , nor did i see any muslims argue that information of wikipedia is anti_islamic

anyway , you can use islamwatch site to be your reliable reference for historical facts ,
but it isn’t reliable source for me , so i will ignore it with all respect
i seek rational discussions here

peace
 
Sorry but this is of topic, but WIKIPEDIA? Nonsense. Try a reliable source Encyclopedia Britannica on this peaceful islamic history. Read the part on Islamic influence in Indonesia » Muslims in Java.

It says, **The MILITANT character of coastal Islam was evident in the enforced imposition of the new faith on western Java and also on Palembang in southern Sumatra. **
Militant, Enforced, Imposition? Yes it is peaceful in islamic dictionary?:rolleyes:
wow , very convinced evidence
is that the best you have

so tell me some details about the militant force which helped to impose islam in indonesia
do you have any names for leaders or any events which proof that islam was inforced upon them

or may be all you have is just openion :confused:

try to ask me my proofs about the historical facts of your church concerning the same subject , hence you can distinguish between what i call proof and the rubbish you give me here
 
wow , very convinced evidence
is that the best you have

so tell me some details about the militant force which helped to impose islam in indonesia
do you have any names for leaders or any events which proof that islam was inforced upon them

or may be all you have is just openion :confused:

try to ask me my proofs about the historical facts of your church concerning the same subject , hence you can distinguish between what i call proof and the rubbish you give me here
:ehh: :hmmm:

No need to tell you, just read it yourself… History » Islamic influence in Indonesia » Muslims in Java:hey_bud:
Try reading this for a start. This one came from Encyclopedia Britannica — the English encyclopedia. This not my opinion but FROM the encyclopedia.

Now, if you assert that our religion has its blemishes, I will not deny that. In fact I will gladly tell you those were mistakes beyond reparation.

But telling us fancy lies, to promote your " peaceful" religion, for me is deplorable and disgusting when proofs tell us otherwise.

I guess this is the kind of mentality which the British has to contend with when they fail to respond to the call of the Lord Jesus Christ, — islamic lie fest among others.
 
:ehh: :hmmm:

No need to tell you, just read it yourself… History » Islamic influence in Indonesia » Muslims in Java:hey_bud:
Try reading this for a start. This one came from Encyclopedia Britannica — the English encyclopedia. This not my opinion but FROM the encyclopedia.

i will quote to you what i read from your site

The Sumatran centres of Islam had commercial ties with other parts of the region, but they were not closely involved in events outside their immediate neighbourhoods.** On Java, on the other hand, the negligible distance between the Muslim powers of the coastal fringe and the established kingdoms of the interior allowed tension to develop. **The Muslims did not overthrow the kingdom of Majapahit; rather, the kingdom, weakened by feuds within its royal family and exclusion from overseas commerce, merely withered away and disappeared in the early 16th century. The passing of Majapahit hegemony, however, left a power void in Java that triggered outright conflict not only between Muslim and non-Muslim communities but also between Islamic power hierarchies and those of the traditional aristocracy.

it’s political conflicts not religious one where it can be found anywhere in the world .
Now, if you assert that our religion has its blemishes, I will not deny that. In fact I will gladly tell you those were mistakes beyond reparation.
 
good work elwill
people like trdchubi can sometimes be hard to deal with bcz they are so close-minded and don’t know when to stop (even after they have been rocked :p)

wasalam
 
it’s political conflicts not religious one where it can be found anywhere in the world .
Try learning the political ideals of your religion. We learned of its barbaric political conquest of SE Asia in grade school. Political or religious conflict, it was still perpetuated under islam ‘s “complete” way of life.

This so called “complete” system incorporates religious values into ones national, socio-political, legal and economic affairs. I assume this is what they call Islamic theocracy and we know how peaceful this system can be.

Punishment of decapitation of ones body parts, beheading, human rights violation, ill treatment of women are just some of its political agenda to name a few. Where did they get it? In your very holy book the quran. Communism will be put to shame.

Sadly, fifteenth century Indonesia succumbs to it. Now modern Britain is under its spell. Islam has become so interesting lately.

Today, sharia courts which have operated illegally in Britain are being re-classed as tribunal hearings, making their judgments legally binding.

How did sharia law made its way in the magna carta of Britain? It is almost unbelievable that this should occur in a modern, democratic, Western country, and, moreover, under a government that claims to be liberal.

Now some extremist clerics have already asserted their aims to establish sharia law for EVERYONE in Britain. How terrifying can that be.
after you proof to me your accusations against islamic history , i will gladly tell you those were mistakes beyond reparation
Yes we have proven how “peaceful” it has become on many treads already.
quote from my words the lies i said , please
actually your site confirms every word i said , i wonder if you yourself read it !!!
Well saying politics and religion are two different facets that don’t work together for the islamic conquest of the world is misleading and untruthful.
 
good work elwill
people like trdchubi can sometimes be hard to deal with bcz they are so close-minded and don’t know when to stop (even after they have been rocked :p)

wasalam
No I think you got it wrong. Christians are easier to deal with because we are open minded. We discern on whom to trust. Friendship and business dealings are base on trust and honor of ones word. We are more tolerant and forgiving.

Can we say that too with your cohorts (with my experience with them) and more specifically with your religion?
 
Just to point out, in the past few weeks I’ve read 4-5 threads on this site of breaking news, where Christians have been murdered, beaten, or humiliated for their beliefs by Muslims.
  1. Group of Muslims kill Christians in Somalia
  2. Principal Fires coach for converting Muslim student to Christianity
  3. Young girl runs away from family after she converts, for fear of her life
    etc. etc.
Now even the most radical Christian group does not resort to terrorism or murder. The only thing close that I can think of is individuals with mental issues killing abortion providers.
IMO it seems all the Muslims do is intimidate and murder people.
It’s gonna take alot of PR to turn the image around.
 
Try learning the political ideals of your religion. We learned of its barbaric political conquest of SE Asia in grade school. Political or religious conflict, it was still perpetuated under islam ‘s “complete” way of life.

well , inform me what you learned in your school
This so called “complete” system incorporates religious values into ones national, socio-political, legal and economic affairs. I assume this is what they call Islamic theocracy and we know how peaceful this system can be.
 
Just to point out, in the past few weeks I’ve read 4-5 threads on this site of breaking news, where Christians have been murdered, beaten, or humiliated for their beliefs by Muslims.
  1. Group of Muslims kill Christians in Somalia
  2. Principal Fires coach for converting Muslim student to Christianity
  3. Young girl runs away from family after she converts, for fear of her life
    etc. etc.
Now even the most radical Christian group does not resort to terrorism or murder. The only thing close that I can think of is individuals with mental issues killing abortion providers.
IMO it seems all the Muslims do is intimidate and murder people.
It’s gonna take alot of PR to turn the image around.
** HyeDetroit, we are with you. These are bad things. Nobody should do such bad things. He may be a Hindu or Muslim or christian, should not kill or compell for conversion.

But I would request that it is not good to talk by what people are doing. Every one is doing illegal acts, even the christians are doing anti-church deeds.

So the best thing is to come by the books, actual sacred books of the christians and the Muslims. Islam does not allow killing of any innocent person. If some Muslims are doing it, it is not the fault of Islam.It is the fault of the follower.

Islam says: “there is no compulsion in religion**.” So nobody should be punished or killed for converting to another faith.

Well and good. You have good wishes, good ideas. You wish well and you hope that they should come true. Keep trying, keep hoping.
 
Just thought I would add something. Yes, muslims have more kids than Christians but millions are leaving - they just do not admit it. The biggest hurdle for muslims who are keen to take over the UK (as they threaten) is the Ex-Muslim Council of Great Britain ex-muslim.org.uk/. I know several former muslims and they know many closet apostates too. Unless the kids go to islamic schools it is hard to make them stick to such a strict way of life when brought up in the West.

I came across this recently too revelado.org/islam.htm - God would not make us live in Hell. Then again, it could happen and that could be when Jesus returns to fight the anti-Christ.

Have a great evening +++
 
The biggest hurdle for muslims who are keen to take over the UK (as they threaten) is the Ex-Muslim Council of Great Britain ex-muslim.org.uk/. I know several former muslims and they know many closet apostates too. Unless the kids go to islamic schools it is hard to make them stick to such a strict way of life when brought up in the West.
I’ve often thought that the greatest threat to the dreams of Islamists worldwide is really European Islam as it develops - ie Islam + Shopping.

I remember, recently, a survey of young Muslim women in the UK whose priorities, obviously, included being young Muslim women but included a lot of Shopping, a lot of ‘getting an education’, a lot of ‘setting up my own business’, um and, yes, well a lot of Shopping.
 
Just thought I would add something. Yes, muslims have more kids than Christians but millions are leaving - they just do not admit it. The biggest hurdle for muslims who are keen to take over the UK (as they threaten) is the Ex-Muslim Council of Great Britain ex-muslim.org.uk/. I know several former muslims and they know many closet apostates too. Unless the kids go to islamic schools it is hard to make them stick to such a strict way of life when brought up in the West.

I came across this recently too revelado.org/islam.htm - God would not make us live in Hell. Then again, it could happen and that could be when Jesus returns to fight the anti-Christ.

Have a great evening +++
Yes I know that their is a few muslims that leave islam but the reason is because they don’t actually understand the religion properly. Also some of the people in ex-muslim.org are not actually muslims themselves but explain why they will never be muslim because of experience (notice not because of the actual religion) some ppl are so idiotic-they think that something bad happened to them by a muslim makes the whole religion bad…how about they look at the good ppl in islam?
But if you want to play that game then check these websites:
exchristian.org/
exchristian.net/
debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/11/ex-pastor-ex-wife-ex-christian.html
dailymotion.com/video/xyz7r_exchristian-preacher-reverts-2-isla_people
Enjoy 🙂
You will see most of these “ex christians” like the “ex-muslims” never really understood their religion in the first place and base their choice of leaving their religion based purely on experience with the religion i.e: christian preachers harassing them, being raped by priests, etc.
You have to understand that whether you are born into islam or not-if Allah (swt) doesn’t open your heart to this beautiful religion—then whether the world turns or nor you will NEVER be a muslim. However for the sincere ones-there is always a way to attain the perfect path.

wasalam
 
I’ve often thought that the greatest threat to the dreams of Islamists worldwide is really European Islam as it develops - ie Islam + Shopping.

I remember, recently, a survey of young Muslim women in the UK whose priorities, obviously, included being young Muslim women but included a lot of Shopping, a lot of ‘getting an education’, a lot of ‘setting up my own business’, um and, yes, well a lot of Shopping.
Since shopping, getting an education and setting up a business is not against islam’s teachings then it is perfectly fine. 👍

wasalam
 
Yes I know that their is a few muslims that leave islam but the reason is because they don’t actually understand the religion properly.
You will see most of these “ex christians” like the “ex-muslims” never really understood their religion in the first place and base their choice of leaving their religion based purely on experience with the religion i.e: christian preachers harassing them, being raped by priests, etc.
You have to understand that whether you are born into islam or not-if Allah (swt) doesn’t open your heart to this beautiful religion—then whether the world turns or nor you will NEVER be a muslim. However for the sincere ones-there is always a way to attain the perfect path.

wasalam
I wish muslims would get off the track of priests raping Christians. Yes, there was a bad patch in the Catholic Church but it is over. I have heard stories of Imams raping muslims kids - you will of course deny that as usual.

I see no “beauty” in islam at all. New converts are first taught the “beauties of islam”. They are told that islam is a religion, a religion of peace, of equality and worship of a single God. They are led to believe that islam is accepting of other religions, especially Judaism and Christianity that are monotheistic, and only disagrees with the believers of these religions in that they have corrupted their faith. They are then led to believe that islam is the only religion that has not been contaminated. Because of that it is the only religion accepted by God. Those who do not believe in islam reject the truth (deny God) and are doomed sinners. Eventually they are old that Isa and Musa of the quran are not the same as Jesus and Moses of the Bible. New converts gradually come to think of people of other faiths as the enemies of allah and will start to hate them actively. Then they are taught that only muslims are brothers to each other and that everyone else is out there trying to “get them”.

Please watch the testimony in my footer. He died and went to heaven where he met Jesus. Jesus spoke to him and confirmed everything that is written in the Bible. Why also if islam is true and Christianity is not do people have dreams of Jesus and visited by Angels and are always told about Christ and not islam. Nobody who has had those experiences has become muslim.

You however seem to have the true muslim mindset: I am right, you are wrong; I am superior, and you are inferior; islam and the arab culture is the only way, and yours is evil and I must do everything I can to change you. You are sinners, I am a muslim – the only true religion – and through jihad I must change you; if I die without accomplishing my goal, other muslims behind me will succeed, and I am guaranteed heaven. You know that is true and with that mindset how will (some not all) muslims ever live in peace with any non-muslims!
 
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