If Islam didn't have Jesus as a prophet....

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MartinJordan said:
With regards to Paul and James:

Remember that Paul and James were writing to a different groups individually; also at a different time and situation plus the problems (that they were advising their respective groups) were also not the same. So we must be careful to how it is interpreted without the context.

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I think if you read Galatians and James side by side the context is pretty clear. James was arguing ** against** Galatians.
 
smaneck said:
Actually, James kind of argues against Paul’s interpretation:

"14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only."

Sure. Faith is primary. But Paul insists that we are justified by faith ** alone**.
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In a Sense one can be Justified apart from works. What Works did the thief have on the Cross ?

If One comes to Faith but happens to die before he has had chance to be baptised or do any other Works of Faith. Surely he would be Justified in the Sight of God:shrug:
 
shaky said:
In a Sense one can be Justified apart from works. What Works did the thief have on the Cross ?
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Certainly one can be. I happen to believe in deathbed conversions. As Baha’u’llah puts it:

“He should forgive the sinful, and never despise his low estate, for none knoweth what his own end shall be. How often hath a sinner attained, at the hour of death, to the essence of faith, and, quaffing the immortal draught, hath taken his flight unto the Concourse on high! And how often hath a devout believer, at the hour of his soul’s ascension, been so changed as to fall into the nethermost fire!”
reference.bahai.org/en/t/b/GWB/gwb-125.html
If One comes to Faith but happens to die before he has had chance to be baptised or do any other Works of Faith. Surely he would be Justified in the Sight of God:shrug:
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I think the issue really is whether it just doesn’t matter what one does.
 
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