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Digitonomy
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No, neither do I. However, I do ask such questions as a way of exploring and pondering the miracle of the incarnation.
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adamhovey1988
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We aren’t Greek Pagans, and I really appreciate that you’re trying to learn, but we Christians do not believe he is AN incarnated God, we believe he is God incarnate.Some Christians assume Jesus to be an incarnated God. And also they confess that God is one. The question is that: Would children of Jesus be divine too?
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hasantas
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What is different with Greek mythology? Their gods become human and you say god incarnate!We aren’t Greek Pagans, and I really appreciate that you’re trying to learn, but we Christians do not believe he is AN incarnated God, we believe he is God incarnate.
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hasantas
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It is not an assumption, it is faith. Jesus Christ resurrected himself from the dead, raised the dead, and ascended into heaven, as we know from the testamony given in the scriptures. He said he was God.
John 8:56-58
56 Abraham your father rejoiced to see my day; he saw it[a] and was glad. 57 So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old and you have seen Abraham?”** 58 [c]Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, before Abraham came to be, I AM.”
Matthew 28:20
20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.[a] And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
John 10:30-33
30 [a]The Father and I are one.”
31 The Jews again picked up rocks to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from my Father. For which of these are you trying to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “We are not stoning you for a good work but for blasphemy. You, a man, are making yourself God.”**
Jesus did not say He is God!
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
43 And he came and found them asleep again: Matthew 26
Jesus prayed Father(God) to be saved. If Jesus were God then He would do it by himself.
And Jesus will be with us but God will send him again. Jesus always said Father(God) sent me but Jesus never said that I decided to come. Would you show me a direct statement in which Jesus say I am God?
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Wesrock
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The Son is not the Father. But both are the one God. Jesus was also fully man, with a human soul and a human mind, in addition to being God.Jesus did not say He is God!
39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?
41 Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
42 He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
43 And he came and found them asleep again: Matthew 26
Jesus prayed Father(God) to be saved. If Jesus were God then He would do it by himself.
And Jesus will be with us but God will send him again. Jesus always said Father(God) sent me but Jesus never said that I decided to come. Would you show me a direct statement in which Jesus say I am God?
Jesus did declare himself to be God. It’s been quoted multiple times. From the I AM statements, to declaring the Father and himself to be one, to forgiving sins, to providing the Law on his own authority, to making himself the new Torah, to declaring himself to being greater than the Temple (where God resided), to so many other implicit references that study of the scriptures will being out.
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hasantas
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Then why Christians say Jesus was a divine sacrifice?There is no reason to think that Jesus was, physically, anything other than a perfectly normal human being. Divinity is not a biological or hereditary characteristic.
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hasantas
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God is not something to gain influence. If Jesus were a human and a god then children of Jesus would be both human and gods.
If you pass a decision about God please be more responsible and careful.
If you pass a decision about God please be more responsible and careful.
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Wesrock
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He said physically.Then why Christians say Jesus was a divine sacrifice?
The insitution of the Last Supper as a willful offering of himseof. The connections with Passover and the Day of Atonement. The implicit references to Jesus Christ as the high priest. Jesus being the Lamb of God. The fact that the Temple cult had thrown animal blood on the altar in place of human blood, so that the blood it represents might be purified by contact with the divine. In Jesus, we have the perfection of that, the high priest, lamb, temple, and altar all in one, in which the blood of man truly touches the divine in sacrifice and makes true atonement in a way animal blood never could.
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Wesrock
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You are mixing the human and divine natures. We ultimately can’t know, anyway.God is not something to gain influence. If Jesus were a human and a god then children of Jesus would be both human and gods.
If you pass a decision about God please be more responsible and careful.
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hasantas
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If blood is divine so children should be divine too?He said physically.
The insitution of the Last Supper as a willful offering of himseof. The connections with Passover and the Day of Atonement. The implicit references to Jesus Christ as the high priest. Jesus being the Lamb of God. The fact that the Temple cult had thrown animal blood on the altar in place of human blood, so that the blood might be purified by contact with the divine. In Jesus, we have the perfection of that, the high priest, lamb, temple, and altar all in one, in which the blood of man truly touches the divine in sacrifice and makes true atonement in a way animal blood never could.
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Wesrock
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Jesus did not have one mixed nature. It would help if you had an understanding of Christology and Trinitarianism before making objections to it.
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hasantas
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No, I do not. But Christians mix up divine and human natures. As before I said God is divine and Jesus is human. There is no mixture.You are mixing the human and divine natures. We ultimately can’t know, anyway.
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Wesrock
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Jesus is both human and divine. There is no mixture.No, I do not. But Christians mix up divine and human natures. As before I said God is divine and Jesus is human. There is no mixture.
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hasantas
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Could you argue issue out of assumption? Perhaps you can see the conflicts by that way.Jesus did not have one mixed nature. It would help if you had an understanding of Christology and Trinitarianism before making objections to it.
I investigated enough.
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hasantas
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But you mix divine and human natures in same box(body)!Jesus is both human and divine. There is no mixture.
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Wesrock
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I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your question. I’m not sure what it means to “argue issue out of assumption.” I’m not sure that makes sense in English.Could you argue issue out of assumption? Perhaps you can see the conflicts by that way.
I investigated enough.
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hasantas
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Free from doctrines of Church.I’m sorry, but I don’t understand your question. I’m not sure what it means to “argue issue out of assumption.” I’m not sure that makes sense in English.
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Wesrock
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We argue from what was given to Jesus’ disciples and the scriptures, both of which understood Jesus to be divine and man. We also cannot completely argue apart from the Church. We are not a book religion. We were provided with a living teaching authority by Christ. The Arian heresy, which contradicted Apostolic teaching that was handed down, was confirmed heresy.Free from doctrines of Church.
The doctrines of the Church aren’t just an arbitrary list pulled out of thin air.
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hasantas
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There is no divinity of Jesus in scripture and statements of disciples.We argue from what was given to Jesus’ disciples and the scriptures, both of which understood Jesus to be divine and man. We also cannot completely argue apart from the Church. We are not a book religion. We were provided with a living teaching authority by Christ. The Arian heresy, which contradicted Apostolic teaching that was handed down, was confirmed heresy.
As you confess Cathecism is not from scripture but doctrines of people!
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Wesrock
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I’m sorry, but that’s just flat out not true if you accept the New Testament or even just the four gospels as scriptural. And it’s clear in the early church writings, too.There is no divinity of Jesus in scripture and statements of disciples.
You are twisting my words. I never said it wasn’t from Scripture, but religion is more than Scripture. And Jesus and his apostles and the men they appointed were people, so quite literally, yes, insofar as Jesus and the Apostles were people I accept their doctrines.As you confess Cathecism is not from scripture but doctrines of people!
God did not give us a book. He gave us Himself.
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