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Spirithound
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You have to be cold to describe abortion and still believe in it.
If life does not begin at conception why does Planned Parenthood hand out so many condoms?
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Chris_LaRock
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I guess we all started off as parasites, according the logic used by him/her.
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Claudius
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Do you have a source for this?
I will bet not.
So you want to kill children. Just admit it. You want to chop babies into peices. You want to take a ten month old and hack him or her apart. Maybe you will be like the nazis and keep the eyes for suvaniers.
By the way, the Catholic Church doesn’t teach limbo. You are just here to spout hate and death and I won’t put up with you. I tell you solemnly, you had better repent of this or you will go to hell, the place where the worm dies not and the flame is never extinguished. That the Catholic Church does teach and you are exactly the kind of person to ask for and earn it.
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Claudius
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Do you all know that there are some women who go into labor in America and planned Parenthood comes to them and gets them to kill the Child, while the woman is in labor that very moment.
The child could survive outsidet the womb by then, and before really but they insist on killing it.
They take an almost newborn baby and cut it to pieces.
Clearly the issue is not about when life begins but about planned parenthood just wanting to kill as much as they can.
The child could survive outsidet the womb by then, and before really but they insist on killing it.
They take an almost newborn baby and cut it to pieces.
Clearly the issue is not about when life begins but about planned parenthood just wanting to kill as much as they can.
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marietta
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I respectfully ask you to document a single incident of this alleged activity.
estesbob and mapleoak:
Perhaps you got your memory wires crossed - my daughter lives in Texas and works in the women’s health field as a medical assistant. Appreciate the prayers, but know that she is still with us.
Thanks.
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marietta
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Fascinating and imperfect. NFP lead me to my first spontaneous abortion.
“If we choose to take the wheel of our own reproductive lives, we may not bring unwanted children into the world (good) but we have sinned against God and will pay for it in -]Purgatory/-] Hell (very bad).”
Why Hell and not Purgatory? Is the pursuit of reproductive rights a sin so heinous that even Purgatory is too good for it?
Now, that’s fascinating!
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mapleoak
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I am talking about the child you said you had aborted on a different thread. Only an assumption that is was a girl though. God be with both of you and your living daughter as well.
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marietta
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mapleoak:
I thank you for your kindness.
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I thank you for your kindness.
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mapleoak
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Reproduction is a gift from God not a right. A gift to use how He wants, not how we want. Claiming a non-existant right is akin to saying thanks for the gift, I am going to do my own thing with it though, sorry. That to put it lightly. In reality, with regards to sexual reproduction, using that gift in a matter other than God intended, is a greivous matter which when accompanied by full knowledge and consent of the will is mortal sin. Mortal sin represents complete and willful separation from God and not even Hell is sufficient. People aren’t in Hell because God puts them there, they put themselves there. The difference with purgatory, is the effects of sin remain even after absolution, though the person no longer deserving of hell because they no longer have a complete and willful separation from God. The effects of sin only require either satisfaction to made on this earth, or failing that in purgatory. That is correct theology.
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mapleoak
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Your most welcome.
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beeliner
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Wel, at leest they taut you to rede and spel gud.
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st_lucy
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You are asking when does a person become a human. Which is really redundant. Well lets first look at the dictionary. Definition of a person
Definitions of human
But lets go to science instead of the dictionary. DNA is what is used at crime scenes to determine if an unidentifiable decomposing body is human or some other animal. Since one gets his very own DNA at the very moment of conception I would have to say that one becomes human at conception.
DNA is wonderful subject to study. My second grader has been studying DNA for his upcoming science fair project. He will be extracting DNA from a strawberry to prove that a strawberry cannot possibly be anything other than a strawberry. It is rather fascinating.
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estesbob
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Or perhaps they did listen and it didn’t work. The point you is you used this situation to criticize abstinence only education. You did this despite the fact you don’t have a clue about the situation this couple was in. You took a cheap shot at her mother based on nothing more than your idle speculation.
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Spirithound
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There’s a thread on these fora regarding “a liberal argument against abortion”. The gist of that article is that more important rights supersede less important rights. Thus, if it is possible that something is a human, it should be accorded the right to life, regardless of whether or not we even have “reproductive rights” (which I highly dispute).
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fix
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How can a dead body be a person in the same way a developing and alive baby is?
So, if one can think they get rights and if one cannot think they get no rights?
Who wanted to free the slaves? Did the slaves want to stay enslaved?
Who gets to decide to kill the unborn babies? Do the ones getting aborted get to decide?
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sodak
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This thread has been remarkably restrained considering the subject. 40 million murders is right up there with Stalin.
Being passive/aggressive won’t work here. You want to leave the Church, then leave. You do so under your own power, no one here is forcing you. If you need to be inspired by a forum to be a Catholic, well, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate what Catholicism is all about. It’s not about us, nor about you.
Really? You’ve already admitted to posting here many times just to stir up trouble. Kicking the horse, or a similar phrase.
It always amazes me when people run out of arguments and turn to personal attacks that they still demand to be taken seriously.
We’re not hear to win friends, or even win arguments. We’re here to point out the Truth. Whether you accept it or not, that’s your decision, based upon the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Personally, I’m MUCH more concerned that I can give an account of my words and deeds when I die, and have to face Jesus, and probably the 40 million murdered. Their opinion matters quite a bit to me. Everything else is just dust in the wind.
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marietta
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sodak:
So every opinion that echoes yours is worthy of your consideration, but none which deviates from your opinion to any degree? Have you tried the “Ignore” button?
“This thread has been remarkably restrained considering the subject.” So the degree of offensiveness determines the degree of ugliness in the responses? I thought decency was above all that measuring and monitoring. Your behavior either is decent or it isn’t.
“Really? You’ve already admitted to posting here many times just to stir up trouble. Kicking the horse, or a similar phrase.” I have never claimed to have the one, and only one, singular, everything-else-is-junk Truth. Sometimes it’s good to kick the horse to see how lame he is.
“Being passive/aggressive won’t work here.” Neither will being simply aggressive. I have appreciated the assertive posters and can invest energy in trying to understand their viewpoints; however, there is so much arrogance on this forum that, well, where in the world is Walt Oliver?? I don’t consider myself to be passive/aggressive, if this is what you are implying. In order to not be cast out one must attempt to be assertive and toe the line. It’s a good exercise for me; but as a non-Catholic, I wonder whether my posts are measured by the same yardstick as the ultraconservatives here.
*“If you need to be inspired by a forum to be a Catholic, well, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate what Catholicism is all about. It’s not about us, nor about you.” *
Quite the opposite has been true for me: I have been inspired by this forum to be a non-Catholic and, dare I say it?, maybe an anti-Catholic. I have had a front-row seat to evaluate what Catholicism is all about. I understand it’s not about you or me. But what you have all shown me is that Catholics are unable or unwilling to carry their message of faith, love, and hope in a manner in which it might actually be accessible and, therefore, useful to anyone outside the faith. I have been curious about why my childhood impressions of Catholicism have lain so heavily on my shoulders, so that I’ve not been able to look back or look forward, and I’ve had to spend every today in a box of fear. I thought that the stuff jammed down my seven-year-old throat might actually have been digested by now. It has not. It sticks in my gut and contaminates my days, and it has for 40 years. There was a time when I thought a return to Catholicism might give me some comfort and structure. That time is gone. You have amplified for me everything negative about Catholicism.
My intuition has lead me away from the razor wire. I think God is looking out for me, whether you think I deserve it or not. At least He has enough imagination to embrace diversity.
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So every opinion that echoes yours is worthy of your consideration, but none which deviates from your opinion to any degree? Have you tried the “Ignore” button?
“This thread has been remarkably restrained considering the subject.” So the degree of offensiveness determines the degree of ugliness in the responses? I thought decency was above all that measuring and monitoring. Your behavior either is decent or it isn’t.
“Really? You’ve already admitted to posting here many times just to stir up trouble. Kicking the horse, or a similar phrase.” I have never claimed to have the one, and only one, singular, everything-else-is-junk Truth. Sometimes it’s good to kick the horse to see how lame he is.
“Being passive/aggressive won’t work here.” Neither will being simply aggressive. I have appreciated the assertive posters and can invest energy in trying to understand their viewpoints; however, there is so much arrogance on this forum that, well, where in the world is Walt Oliver?? I don’t consider myself to be passive/aggressive, if this is what you are implying. In order to not be cast out one must attempt to be assertive and toe the line. It’s a good exercise for me; but as a non-Catholic, I wonder whether my posts are measured by the same yardstick as the ultraconservatives here.
*“If you need to be inspired by a forum to be a Catholic, well, then perhaps you need to re-evaluate what Catholicism is all about. It’s not about us, nor about you.” *
Quite the opposite has been true for me: I have been inspired by this forum to be a non-Catholic and, dare I say it?, maybe an anti-Catholic. I have had a front-row seat to evaluate what Catholicism is all about. I understand it’s not about you or me. But what you have all shown me is that Catholics are unable or unwilling to carry their message of faith, love, and hope in a manner in which it might actually be accessible and, therefore, useful to anyone outside the faith. I have been curious about why my childhood impressions of Catholicism have lain so heavily on my shoulders, so that I’ve not been able to look back or look forward, and I’ve had to spend every today in a box of fear. I thought that the stuff jammed down my seven-year-old throat might actually have been digested by now. It has not. It sticks in my gut and contaminates my days, and it has for 40 years. There was a time when I thought a return to Catholicism might give me some comfort and structure. That time is gone. You have amplified for me everything negative about Catholicism.
My intuition has lead me away from the razor wire. I think God is looking out for me, whether you think I deserve it or not. At least He has enough imagination to embrace diversity.
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estesbob
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You came to a Catholic Forum and are upset because Catholics will not reject basic doctrines o ftheir faith in order to make you more comfortable with it???
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mapleoak
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This is a good illustration of the absurdity of the claim that ability to think is necessary before it is no longer licit to kill someone. Basically, one can then further reduce the claim to ability to think “I decide I would not like to be killed” before it is no longer licit. It doesn’t stop at mere ability to think, but will ultimately be rationalized that the ability to think certain things must be in play. One poster had already mentioned that someone needs to have desires for the future in order to be called a person.
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sodak
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We finally get to it. The altar of diversity.
Try God’s Truth for a change. Try conforming to His will, instead of insisting He conform to yours.
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