If Lutherans and Catholics rejoin ranks ....

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FabiusMaximus said:
That will never happen. Evangelical denominations will never unite with the Catholic Church. The differences are simply too vast.
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Are you familiar with the organization, Evangelicals and Catholics Together, founded by Chuck Colson and Father Richard John Neuhaus?

Yes, it’s not only possible, but it’s happening. The organization I mentioned has hammered out various documents that have been signed by many Evangelical leaders and by many Catholic leaders.

I think it’s more likely that Evangelical Protestants will unite with Catholics because Evangelical Protestants read and study the Bible. When they are exposed in depth to t he Catholic Church, they will recognize it as the Biblical church that they are searching for. Lutherans, in general, are not involved as heavily in individual and group Bible study as Evangelical Protestants are.

I would like to suggest that you read Chuck Colson’s book, Being the Body, which discusses the issues that separate Evangelicals and Catholics (and the Orthodox). Colson’s thesis is that Christians need to be united. Quite a shocking thesis from a Baptist. Sadly, Colson has passed on, as has Father Neuhaus. Hopefully their work will go on, but I’m guessing that the demons had a huge party celebrating the earth’s loss of these two great Christian men.

Being the Body was one of the Top Five Reasons why I decided to convert to Catholicism. I strongly recommend it to Catholics and Protestants. It would really help Catholics to understand Evangelical Protestant thinking, and it would help Evangelical Protestants to see how close they really are to the Catholic Church.
 
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I would like to suggest that you read Chuck Colson’s book, Being the Body, which discusses the issues that separate Evangelicals and Catholics (and the Orthodox). Colson’s thesis is that Christians need to be united. Quite a shocking thesis from a Baptist. Sadly, Colson has passed on, as has Father Neuhaus. Hopefully their work will go on, but I’m guessing that the demons had a huge party celebrating the earth’s loss of these two great Christian men.

Being the Body was one of the Top Five Reasons why I decided to convert to Catholicism. I strongly recommend it to Catholics and Protestants. It would really help Catholics to understand Evangelical Protestant thinking, and it would help Evangelical Protestants to see how close they really are to the Catholic Church.
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good insights ! Will get his book …
 
Luth123 said:
It just comes down to if Catholics can accept the Lutheran position on communion. Lutherans agree with Catholics in a real oral eating and drinking of the body and blood of Christ except that Lutherans say it is by sacramental union.

Seriously I think it’s disgusting to bicker about details 95% of members of each do not truly understand and those members accept whatever their denomination promotes.

Many Christians, Catholics, Lutherans and other denominations will be saved because they truly believe in their hearts and by their deeds. They will no be saved because their denomination was “correct” in some doctrine details. No one is going to hell for denying real presence.
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Wouldn’t it be fair to say for Lutherans to deny their man made interpretation of Communion and return to the Catholic/Biblical context Christ set it in?
 
SaintFrancis333 said:
Wouldn’t it be fair to say for Lutherans to deny their man made interpretation of Communion and return to the Catholic/Biblical context Christ set it in?
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What do you consider to be a man made interpretation of Communion? We Lutherans affirm the Real Presence.
 
gcnuss said:
What do you consider to be a man made interpretation of Communion? We Lutherans affirm the Real Presence.
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Just more bickering between human denominations. I really don’t think God cares about issues like this other than the division it causes in the real True Church. Below is Wikipedia entry which I think sums up the details:

Lutherans believe that the body and blood of Christ are “truly and substantially present in, with and under the forms” of the consecrated bread and wine (the elements), so that communicants orally eat and drink the holy body and blood of Christ Himself as well as the bread and wine (cf. Augsburg Confession, Article 10) in this Sacrament. The Lutheran doctrine of the Real Presence is more accurately and formally known as “the Sacramental Union.” It has been inaccurately called “consubstantiation”. This term is specifically rejected by some Lutheran churches and theologians since it creates confusion about the actual doctrine, and it subjects the doctrine to the control of an abiblical philosophical concept in the same manner as, in their view, does the term “transubstantiation.”
 
SaintFrancis333 said:
Wouldn’t it be fair to say for Lutherans to deny their man made interpretation of Communion and return to the Catholic/Biblical context Christ set it in?
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I think it’s of course true the Catholic Church is not going to “bend” on the issue of Holy Communion for the sense of unity. I am glad for that. 'In with and under" is what is said in this LCMS and the Catholic Church vehemently disagrees.

Mary.
 
Roman Catholics and Lutherans realize the remarkable unity of the Mass. Elevation of the Host at a Lutheran altar on Corpus Christi Sunday. youtube.com/user/ChoralBerlin#p/u/18/kCrrZ-SMyM0

All my life I have commune in Roman Catholic churches and relatives take communion in my Lutheran parish; plus cursillos.
 
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Luth123:
Just more bickering between human denominations. I really don’t think God cares about issues like this other than the division it causes in the real True Church."
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I think God cares about this.

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pablope said:
What you believe now…your gnostic beliefs…did someone dictate them to you?
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No I read them in the documents the Catholic Church tried to destroy many centuries ago. Since they are classified as heretical by the Catholic Church you as Catholic are not allowed to read them without committing a sin punishable by excommunication. That is the man made dictation I am referring to…

Technically I’m relying on the English translation, but it’s my choice and free will to read these ancient texts and decide for myself.
 
Luth123 said:
No I read them in the documents the Catholic Church tried to destroy many centuries ago. Since they are classified as heretical by the Catholic Church you as Catholic are not allowed to read them without committing a sin punishable by excommunication. That is the man made dictation I am referring to…
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You don’t seriously that’s a law in the Catholic Church at present, do you? :tsktsk: :o
 
Luth123 said:
God cares what’s in your heart no what theological bureaucrats decide on doctrine they dictate to others.
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Which, of course, is a theological dictation on doctrine that you have decided on and are claiming as absolutely true and, so, should be affirmed as true by others: see Dogma.

But I guess that’s only wrong if you also happen to be a bureaucrat, which is the only difference between what you have decried and what you, yourself, are actually doing.
 
Luth123 said:
No I read them in the documents the Catholic Church tried to destroy many centuries ago. Since they are classified as heretical by the Catholic Church you as Catholic are not allowed to read them without committing a sin punishable by excommunication. That is the man made dictation I am referring to…

Technically I’m relying on the English translation, but it’s my choice and free will to read these ancient texts and decide for myself.
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Okay then…could you cite the church law that says if one read the gnostic writings…that one is excommunicated just for reading it?
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Roman Catholics and Lutherans realize the remarkable unity of the Mass. Elevation of the Host at a Lutheran altar on Corpus Christi Sunday. youtube.com/user/ChoralBerlin#p/u/18/kCrrZ-SMyM0
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Just as importantly, the celebrants genuflect after the consecration. Oh, I wish more Lutherans pastors would elevate the body and blood and genuflect in their presence. What a great witness to the Lutheran teaching that, there on the altar, is Christ!

Jon
 
Peter_J said:
Just realized that I missed this part of your post:

You’re not really supposed to do that either.
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I thought that’s what you meant the first time - Lutherans receiving at a Catholic Eucharist.
What did you mean here? That they shouldn’t elevate the body and blood?

Jon
 
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