If meatless FRi would become the norm, how would you feel about it

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The point would be moot for me: I’m on a low-cholesterol diet, and am allowed meat twice a week anyways. That means the bulk of the animal protein I eat is either baked or broiled chicken or fish. If I had to pick an alternative penance, it would be having to eat turnips on Friday: I despise them.

But like a recent poster said, for something to be penitential, it would have to be voluntary. You can’t offer something up as penance or in reparation if you have to do it in obedience anyways.

I do think that restoring the Friday abstinence rule would help to highlight our Catholic identity to others. In that sense, I think that restoring the rule would be a good thing. It would seem that those of us who have to abstain from meat for the most part anyways will just have to find something else as a penitential offering, since we’re already doing this for health reasons.
 
It would not affect me in any particular way. It would just be another pointless obligation, unless I saw it as a sacrifice.

When a penance is imposed, then it literally has no meaning at all. It is just a ritual. It is not at all like Confession, where one voluntarily chooses to confess their sins and accept whatever penance may be imposed. Instead, this is something that is imposed by the “powers that be”, and it has no liturgical or personal meaning by itself.

I converted into the “Old Church” (pre Vatican II), and I rarely came across a Catholic that actually considered not eating meat on Fridays to be a sacrifice. They almost all (including Nuns and Priests) just looked at it as something that Catholics do.

To me, a sacrifice only has meaning when it has a purpose, and when it is willingly accepted or imposed upon one self.

Not being allowed to eat meat on Fridays met neither of those conditions.

I was almost always exempted from that obligation (except when I was in Catholic Boarding School and when I was in the Seminary). I was the only Catholic in my family, and I spent 10 years in the Army. I was given a dispensation while living at home, and ALL members of the Armed Forces are automatically given a dispensation.

But, I usually CHOSE not to eat meat, and that was a valid sacrifice (especially when I lived at home, and if I didn’t eat meat, I was not allowed to eat anything at all).

I could not possibly care less if the powers that be want to impose another meaningless ritual.

I would care however if they asked people to CHOOSE not to eat meat on Fridays as a personal sacrifice. That, to me, would have real meaning for those that chose to do this.
Meaningless?

Everything in the Church has MEANING. Look it up! The Bishops don’t just blindfold themselves and pitch darts at a dart board.

It’s fascinating, really, the study of Church history and the reasons behind it. Why Catholics Eat Fish On Friday is, I think, the title of a book I have. It makes great reading.
 
Meaningless?

Everything in the Church has MEANING. Look it up! The Bishops don’t just blindfold themselves and pitch darts at a dart board.

It’s fascinating, really, the study of Church history and the reasons behind it. Why Catholics Eat Fish On Friday is, I think, the title of a book I have. It makes great reading.
I agree but sometimes reasons aren’t necessary. For example, did God give reasons why he forbade Adam and Eve to eat of a certain tree?
 
Meaningless?

Everything in the Church has MEANING. Look it up! The Bishops don’t just blindfold themselves and pitch darts at a dart board.

It’s fascinating, really, the study of Church history and the reasons behind it. Why Catholics Eat Fish On Friday is, I think, the title of a book I have. It makes great reading.
It is so sad that so many now view orthodoxy and orthopraxy from a secular perspective. We have such a hugh task to educate the secularized world about The Faith, beginning with uninformed Catholics.
 
I would have no issue going back to all meatless Fridays.

I was born after Vatican II when things changed. My mother remembers every Friday growing up being meatless, and she was forced to eat so much seafood, she refuses to eat now & during Lent, she finds other meatless items to eat.

I do like eating seafood a few times a week if its available and inexpensive in my area.
 
It wouldn’t bother me at all because I don’t eat meat at all. I haven’t for years and feel great about it!! 👍
 
I think all of us are fully aware we are required to do a penance on Fri, but the Bishops in England and Wales have mandated meatless Fri…It might spread …I have no idea
I realise that anyone anytime can voluntarily do a penance.
However, if the Friday penance mandated there is now no meat on Fridays what is the Church’s mandated instructions for the vegetarians?
 
I realise that anyone anytime can voluntarily do a penance.
However, if the Friday penance mandated there is now no meat on Fridays what is the Church’s mandated instructions for the vegetarians?
If you’re a vegetarian, you have suffered enough. :D:D
 
I realise that anyone anytime can voluntarily do a penance.
However, if the Friday penance mandated there is now no meat on Fridays what is the Church’s mandated instructions for the vegetarians?
I suppose they would mandate something like “If you do not eat meat at all, please refrain on Fridays from the food that you normally eat that day and LIKE THE MOST. For example, if on Friday you would normally look forward to eating lentil salad and a bowl of ice cream, and you like the ice cream most, then don’t eat the ice cream on the Friday, and do NOT substitute any other ‘treat’ or eat anything extra to ‘make up’. If you don’t eat very much at all, like nothing ‘more’ than anything else, and are involved in physical labor, or are a nursing mother, or diabetic or have a condition whereby any kind of dietary change could be dangerous to your health, then eat what you normally would and then at some point in the day where you have time to yourself, even if it’s right when you get up or right when you go to bed, take the time to say some extra prayers to God and offer them for whatever intention He thinks best.”
 
I realise that anyone anytime can voluntarily do a penance.
However, if the Friday penance mandated there is now no meat on Fridays what is the Church’s mandated instructions for the vegetarians?
The bishops conference of England and Wales said that vegetarians should abstain from some other food that they commonly eat.
 
If meatless Fridays became the norm? Or if everyone realized that it is SUPPOSED to BE the norm? I think it is very unfortunate that many of the zealous practices of the early Church are forgotten, or changed for complicated reasons that make no sense to me (Such as many Holy Days of Obligation in the U.S. being dropped and their value not emphasized). I learned about no-meat Fridays in my Baltimore Catechism book for school, and I still wonder what happened to cause people to forget that. I guess maybe because people think it’s inconvenient and don’t see the point. Sad. 😦 But I’ll bet that if a few people start doing it, it’ll catch on again, esp. if they are on fire with love for Jesus. Fire spreads fast. 🙂 God bless everyone in the whole world.

Jesus is our life’s LOVE! Let us give our life and our love to HIM!
 
In England, as of the anniversary of the date of the Pope’s visit, all Catholics in the UK are required to abstain from meat on Friday. At the moment it’s a choice.

I only found out by reading this thread just now that we’re required to do penance on a Friday. 😊 I might start abstaining from meat, seeing as it’s only a matter of time before I’m obligated to.
 
I realise that anyone anytime can voluntarily do a penance.
However, if the Friday penance mandated there is now no meat on Fridays what is the Church’s mandated instructions for the vegetarians?
what it has always been, they and those who voluntarily don’t eat meat find their own penance, just as they do now on Fridays of Lent.
 
I too just learned about Friday penance. I did not know this :o. I would adapt to no meat on Fridays, and it could be a good way to talk about what Jesus did for us on the occasions where I needed to explain the need to abstain. From my most recent experience of abstaining from cookies during lent, I did experience spiritual benefit and greater discipline in other areas of my life. I think a regular practice of penance on Fridays would be beneficial. Though I pray that people become informed on the reason and personal benefit and don’t see it as just an oddity or smugness of Catholicism.

The practice of no meat Fridays would make it easier for me to know how to do the Friday penance.

I will also do more research on what constitutes penance beside confession.
 
Question: How is saying prayers a penance?
Taking the time away from something else you would rather be doing.

Saying penitential prayers (some of the psalms, for instance, are very penitential)

Praying in a penitential way, such as kneeling to the point of discomfort, and then keep on kneeling.

“Offer to God a sacrifice of praise.” (Heb. 13:15 I think)
 
I will also do more research on what constitutes penance beside confession.
If I may make a suggestion, start with the CCC. It is also a virtue, that’s something that I just recently learned in light of this thread. I am actually seeing a need for more of it in my life. If you come up with anything interesting by all means do share please.

God Bless.

Little One0307
 
It would not affect me in any particular way. It would just be another pointless obligation, unless I saw it as a sacrifice.

When a penance is imposed, then it literally has no meaning at all. It is just a ritual.

To me, a sacrifice only has meaning when it has a purpose, and when it is willingly accepted or imposed upon one self.
I think that you have a very basic misunderstanding of sacrifice. If a sacrifice is imposed it can be even MORE valuable because to the original sacrifice is added the virtue of obedience. It is true that if a penitential act is ruled for the whole Church it will be more of a sacrifice for some than for others. But to the degree that it is a sacrifice, you can offer it even more joyfully when you are united in this sacrifice with the whole Church.

As I am writing this it does not seem to be as clear as I mean it. I think that there are others who could say it better. If none of them turn up and improve this, try to get the point even though I am not a good messenger.
 
I found on the USCCB website a description of the doctrine of penitential practices. It is also clear about Fridays being a penitential day.

Fridays Throughout the Year—In memory of Christ’s suffering and death, the Church prescribes making each Friday throughout the year a penitential day. All of us are urged to prepare appropriately for that weekly Easter that comes with each Sunday.

usccb.org/doctrine/penitential.shtml

Forms of Penance
Code:
* Prayer—In prayer, we encounter and walk with God. During the Lenten season, we are encouraged to make opportunities for individual and common prayer. Opportunities for prayer can include attending Mass, praying the liturgy of the hours, praying within the family, visiting a chapel, prayerfully reading the Bible, reciting the rosary, or praying before the Blessed Sacrament.

* Fasting—By refraining from eating, we signify our oneness with the Lord, acknowledge our need for conversion, and give witness to our solidarity with those less fortunate. Catholics who are eighteen years and older and in good health are bound until their fifty-ninth birthday by the obligation to fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday. Traditionally, the canonical obligation of fasting has been understood in the Church as the taking of only one full meal a day.

* Almsgiving—This penitential practice entails giving money or other resources for the benefit of those in need. One possible source of this money is that which has been saved from fasting or other means of self-denial.

* Abstinence—In the United States, this penitential practice consists of refraining from the consumption of meat. The Latin Church's requirement of abstinence binds Catholics after they have celebrated their fourteenth birthday, and it is practiced on Ash Wednesday, Good Friday, and the Fridays during Lent. Pastors and parents are encouraged to see that children who are not bound by the obligation to fast and abstain are led to appreciate an authentic sense of penance.

* The Practice of Charity "Which Covers a Multitude of Sins" (1 Pt 4:8)—Motivated by love for God and for one's neighbor, we express solicitude through various works for those who are in need, especially the poor, the sick, the underprivileged, the aged, the lonely, the imprisoned, the discouraged, the bedridden, and the overburdened.

* Works of Mercy—Through charitable actions (see p. 7) we express compassionate care for others by easing their burdens and attending to their bodily and spiritual needs.

* Penitential Rite at Mass—This is part of the Introductory Rite of the Mass, following the entrance song and greeting, and preceding the Gloria and opening prayer. The rite's invitation to repentance enables us to express readiness to hear the Word of God, celebrate the Eucharist, and receive the Eucharist with a humble and contrite spirit.

* Eucharistic Fast—The eucharistic fast is an ancient custom whereby we prepare to receive holy communion and thereby show due reverence for the sacrament. Latin Catholics who are in good health are required to abstain from any food or drink, with the exceptions of water and medicine, for at least one hour before receiving holy communion.

* Asceticism—The practice of asceticism is a discipline based on self-control and self-denial that helps an individual or a community attain spiritual goals. This discipline is exercised with the aim of achieving greater freedom for self-giving in love. In this way, we seek to imitate the self-emptying of Christ.

* Mortification—In general terms, mortification refers to the radical self-denial and wholehearted giving of oneself to God that Jesus called for when he told his disciples, "Whoever wishes to come after me must deny himself, take up his cross, and follow me" (Mt 16:24). More specifically, mortification is a form of ascetic discipline that involves denial of some kind of enjoyment in order to gain a greater detachment from one's desires. The goal of mortification is fullness of life, not death—freedom, not enslavement.

* Sacrifices—Joining ourselves to Christ's sacrifice, we freely give up time, energy, leisure, and other goods for the sake of others.

* Examination of Conscience—Through this prayerful and reflective process, we review the state of our spiritual health and identify those areas of our lives and of our relationships where we are not acting in a truly Christian manner and where reform is needed. Christians are encouraged to make a brief examination of conscience before retiring for the night.

* Spiritual Direction—Under the guidance of a spiritual director, a person is led to a deeper understanding of his or her relationship with God. Personal weaknesses and strengths are identified in view of their effect on spiritual growth.

* Stations of the Cross—This popular devotional practice was developed in order to permit those who could not make a pilgrimage to the Holy Land to follow in the steps of Jesus along his journey from judgment to burial. Catholics throughout the centuries have paused to pray the stations of the cross, especially during the Lenten season.

* Pilgrimages as Signs of Penance—For centuries the Church has promoted the practice of pilgrimage as a means of atoning for sin and as an aid to personal conversion and holiness. Pilgrims, who journey to a specific holy place to commemorate a certain event, pause to reflect upon where they have been and where they are going along their journey in faith. Pilgrimages mirror symbolically the pilgrim nature of the Church, which is on a continuous journey to the new and heavenly Jerusalem.
I do thank the church for the prescribed disciplines to help us spiritually.

Lord have mercy.
 
RevertAlan,

Wow SD is a penance. I never thought of it or an EOC. That’s pretty cool and awesome. I did not realize there was so many ways. I wonder if one can live one’s life in a penetiential way. I definetly will be talking with my SD about penance and getting his ideas as well.

Thanks for sharing.

God bless.

Little One0307
 
We just stopped eating meat on all Fri’s and we really don’t miss it…It is a small act of penance that is easy to do…Has it benefited us spiritually?
I’d attend an evening service on Friday around 5:30 for an hour if it were available. (Could be any mix of things - prayer group, stations, blessing, Reconciliation service, a group project, etc. - led either by the laity or by an available priest).
 
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