If men and women could do both

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If men and women could both get pregnant and impregnant each other, then would homosexuality still be a sin?

(This is for a fiction story i’m writing involing a homosexual man who discovers he is intersexed so severaly that he has the abilty to be pregnant and have children even though he is automically male.)
 
A man who could have babies wouldn’t be a man, and a woman who could impregnate other people as a man does would not be a woman. Maleness is the ability to contribute sperm and femaleness is the ability to contribute eggs. In primates, actually in all or almost all mammals, it is the females who carry the young. That’s the definition of female and male. A person with the ability to be both a mother and a father without artificial intervention is a complete hermaphrodite, neither male nor female.
 
Such a thing isn’t possible for any vertebrate that I’m aware of, and anyway it’d be straight-up hermaphroditism, not “intersex.”

And having sex with a hermaphrodite is obviously not homosexuality–it’s just freakish beyond all reason.

Of course, hermaphrodites in species not normally hermaphroditic are always sterile.
 
Goth_Catholic said:
If men and women could both get pregnant and impregnant each other, then would homosexuality still be a sin?

(This is for a fiction story i’m writing involing a homosexual man who discovers he is intersexed so severaly that he has the abilty to be pregnant and have children even though he is automically male.)
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Frankly that’s a stupid question!
 
Goth_Catholic said:
If men and women could both get pregnant and impregnant each other, then would homosexuality still be a sin?

(This is for a fiction story i’m writing involing a homosexual man who discovers he is intersexed so severaly that he has the abilty to be pregnant and have children even though he is automically male.)
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First of all, you need to learn how to use spell check before you entertain the thought of writing anything. Then you need to go somewhere else with this ridiculous question as it holds no validity in a Catholic forum. Yes, homosexual activity is a sin regardless of whatever fictitious story you dream up. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…:eek:
 
teachccd said:
First of all, you need to learn how to use spell check before you entertain the thought of writing anything. Then you need to go somewhere else with this ridiculous question as it holds no validity in a Catholic forum. Yes, homosexual activity is a sin regardless of whatever fictitious story you dream up. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…:eek:
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Chill, Winston.

I actually think it’s an interesting idea for a story (a short story, anyway–not enough there for a novel, really), though it’s probably gonna be danged hard to do right.

The question it explores is, if men could reproduce with men, could the procreative and unitive functions be fulfilled?

I’d say, however, that the intersex/hermaphrodite angle is question-begging, since A) a hermaphrodite is not male, and B) such reproduction (which would probably be impossible, but let’s suspend disbelief) would still involve whatever in the body is female, not male.

You might want to use females, actually, GothCath, since the equipment is all there, and there are vertebrates that reproduce by parthenogenesis, triggered by “mating”–all whiptailed lizards are female.

That is of course if the story is situation-driven rather than character-driven. But I can’t imagine such a story being very character driven.
 
teachccd said:
First of all, you need to learn how to use spell check before you entertain the thought of writing anything.
:rolleyes: I wasn’t aware there was such a thing as the spelling police.
Then you need to go somewhere else with this ridiculous question as it holds no validity in a Catholic forum.
Really.
Yes, homosexual activity is a sin regardless of whatever fictitious story you dream up. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…:eek:
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You missed the point. Completely.
 
Hastrman said:
Chill, Winston.

I actually think it’s an interesting idea for a story (a short story, anyway–not enough there for a novel, really), though it’s probably gonna be danged hard to do right.
Doesn’t matter if it’s right or not. It’s just a free-write from a high school student.
The question it explores is, if men could reproduce with men, could the procreative and unitive functions be fulfilled?
Exactly.
I’d say, however, that the intersex/hermaphrodite angle is question-begging, since A) a hermaphrodite is not male, and B) such reproduction (which would probably be impossible, but let’s suspend disbelief) would still involve whatever in the body is female, not male.
I should have looked up the difference between a hermaphrodite and intersex before I posted that question because essentually, I realized I was asking about hermaphroditism and while talking about intersexism.
You might want to use females, actually, GothCath, since the equipment is all there, and there are vertebrates that reproduce by parthenogenesis, triggered by “mating”–all whiptailed lizards are female.
That is of course if the story is situation-driven rather than character-driven. But I can’t imagine such a story being very character driven.
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It is;)
 
Goth_Catholic said:
If men and women could both get pregnant and impregnant each other, then would homosexuality still be a sin?

(This is for a fiction story i’m writing involing a homosexual man who discovers he is intersexed so severaly that he has the abilty to be pregnant and have children even though he is automically male.)
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No, it would be an extreme perversion of nature and humanity.
 
Goth_Catholic said:
It could only happen if nature screwed up badly, but that doesn’t answer my question.
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The answer is that this thread is a waste of time. Why don’t you start another one with something meaningful to discuss.
 
What you are suggesting is simply not possible for many reasons, most biological.

People who have an ambiguous gender as a result of abnormal development are “intersexed”. They often suffer from serious emotional problems, but are still of a specific gender.

Hermaphrodites are caused by chromosomal abnormalities. Such people are always sterile and often suffer from developmental and/or cognitive deficits.

The basic question for this thread is, of course, yes, it would be sinful., All people are called upon to be chaste. That means celibate until marriage and faithful to their spouse, who must be the other gender, after marriage. If there are problems with ambiguous gender, then a person would not be able to marry, just like a man who is permanently physically impotent cannot marry.

If you are confused about your gender, a simple test that examines your 23rd chromosome is all it takes.

As for the story you are writing, I do not think the premise is one worth pursuing. That is because it would almost certainly be a stumbling block to some others and possibly lead some of them into grave sin.
 
teachccd said:
First of all, you need to learn how to use spell check before you entertain the thought of writing anything. Then you need to go somewhere else with this ridiculous question as it holds no validity in a Catholic forum. Yes, homosexual activity is a sin regardless of whatever fictitious story you dream up. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming…:eek:
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The young person is simply writing a short story. Regardless of using the spell check,it is admirable that this future author wants to make certain that he/she doesn’t write anything antiCatholic. One of the aspects of good fantasy writing is looking at situations that couldn’t occur in real life.

My own opinion is that if God created us with different reproductive abilities then he would have created different rules for us to live with.

As far as if what the young writer proposes could actually happen…it doesn’t matter. Come on, people. Fiction writers propose impossible scenarios all the time. I used to read fantasy a lot as a younger person. I knew that nothing in those books could ever possibly happen. When I read IT by Stephen King, I knew that a monster like he described could not possibly exist, yet it still scared to peep out of me.:eek: Fiction doesn’t always have to be practical to be good.
 
Hastrman said:
Chill, Winston.

I actually think it’s an interesting idea for a story (a short story, anyway–not enough there for a novel, really), though it’s probably gonna be danged hard to do right.

The question it explores is, if men could reproduce with men, could the procreative and unitive functions be fulfilled?

I’d say, however, that the intersex/hermaphrodite angle is question-begging, since A) a hermaphrodite is not male, and B) such reproduction (which would probably be impossible, but let’s suspend disbelief) would still involve whatever in the body is female, not male.

You might want to use females, actually, GothCath, since the equipment is all there, and there are vertebrates that reproduce by parthenogenesis, triggered by “mating”–all whiptailed lizards are female.

That is of course if the story is situation-driven rather than character-driven. But I can’t imagine such a story being very character driven.
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Chill Winston??

What if we had our reproductive organs on our foreheads? Would it then be alright to mate in public?? This is fun. I’m starting my novel…Whatever…🤷
 
Goth_Catholic said:
If men and women could both get pregnant and impregnant each other, then would homosexuality still be a sin?

(This is for a fiction story i’m writing involing a homosexual man who discovers he is intersexed so severaly that he has the abilty to be pregnant and have children even though he is automically male.)
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There are people born with both sets of external organs every year. They are called hermorphadites (sp). Could a pair of them impregnate one another? Certain creatures of lower phyla then human can and do this sort of thing. It just isn’t how God set up humans to be. If he had made us like the above there would be no such thing as homosexuality so how could it be a sin?
 
thistle said:
The answer is that this thread is a waste of time. Why don’t you start another one with something meaningful to discuss.
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And you’re participating in it because…

😉 😃

The answer to the OP is that under the defined circumstances, there would be no such thing as “homosexuality”, since there would be no distinct sexes.

Sex organs on one’s forehead? :rotfl:

Reminds me of a Mystery Science Theater 3000 episode…one of the quotes was something to the effect of “I’ll just ram my ovipositor down your throat and lay eggs in your chest…but I’m not an Alian!”
 
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