if Muslims don't beleive in the same God as Christians, do Jews

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I was listening to a right wing radio station and the host , anti-Muslim, said Muslims do not beleive in the same God as Chrsitians and jews.

Well, yes, Muslims do not beleive in a Trinitarian God - but neither do Jews.

Tell me, is it not true that neither Muslims or Jews believe in the same God as Christians?
 
The Christian religion came from the Jewish religion - since Jesus was Jewish - so I believe that we worship the same God. Unfortunatly, the Jews do not recognize Jesus -which is a problem but I leave that up to Him.

The Muslims - ? I know they can supposedly trace themselves back to a son Abraham had with a slave girl - but so what? That’s what I say. When they speak of their god, it’s certainly NOT one I know.

I assume someone else much more knowlegable in history will give you a better response - this is just my opinion, for what it’s worth.
 
Technically, all three worship the same God, just in very different ways.
 
The attributes of the Muslim God as portrayed in the Koran are incompatible with the Christian God. They are not the same god.
 
The attributes of the Muslim God as portrayed in the Koran are incompatible with the Christian God. They are not the same god.
What attributes in the Koran are incompatable with the Christian belief in God’s attributes?
 
While realizing what the Catechism says concerning Islam, I do admit they worship the One God. I have to admit that as there is no other God to worship. Only one exists. So they claim to be monotheistic therefore they worship the same God that we do. On the other hand, they must see a side of Him we cannot see, for He is murderous indeed.

This is the difficulty in reconciling the Catechetical statements on Islam with the world we have around us, for in our world Islam more resembles paganism and barbarianism than it does Catholicism.

But for that matter the same with Judaism, but to a more limited extent. For instance the piece in the paper today of the Jewish rabbi calling for the deaths of all Palestinian males. Paganistic and barbaric.

And the outcry over the Pope’s speech calling for the assassination of the Pope, the beheadings in the Middle East and the hanging of the heads on bridges reminds me immediately of the shrunken heads of humans Cost Plus used to import to the states when I was a kid. For fifty cents a person could buy the shrunken head of the enemy of a particular tribe in the philippines. Today we would call that paganistic and barbaric. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that the head hunters of the philippines were pagans. But there seems to be doubt that Muslims are pagans. Probably due to the Catechetical statements on Islam.

Recently I have decided trying to find the common ground between Catholicism and Islam is not for the average person- it is something to be reserved for the greatest theologians for a person of average intelligence at some point has to say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck maybe it really is a duck. And right now Islam is barbaric and murderous and Judaism as well. They cry out about Allah and Yahweh but what kind of a God demands blood revenge, executions, wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, beheadings of Christians and the deaths of Palestinian males? Pagan religions do.

Pagans demand death and cruelty. Not holy people following God. Sometimes the Catechism is a mystery.
 
I was listening to a right wing radio station and the host , anti-Muslim, said Muslims do not beleive in the same God as Chrsitians and jews.

Well, yes, Muslims do not beleive in a Trinitarian God - but neither do Jews.

Tell me, is it not true that neither Muslims or Jews believe in the same God as Christians?
Be thankful Christians, that Israel’s hardening is to your advantage.
Christians should not be comparing the Jewish people to Muslims.

Read Romans 11, it clearly states the state of Israel.

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Romans 11

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
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  “ The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
  And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
   27 For this is My covenant with them,
  When I take away their sins.”
28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!
34 “ For who has known the mind of the LORD?
Or who has become His counselor?”*
35 “ Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”[j]

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
Christians have their roots through Israel. Jesus is the Jewish Messiah. Although the Jews totally deny Christ today, Muslims present a different Christ, a false revelation, a false god, and a great commision of violence. Our God is I AM, Yahweh, Jehoviah Jirah, Jesus, but not allah. allah is a false god, a different god, a strange god, and has no relation to the real one true God.

Jesus told the Apostles, “But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. (Acts 1:8)

Compare that to Islam’s version of the Great Commission: Said Mohammed to his apostles; “I was ordered to fight all men until they say, ‘There is no god but Allah.”

Jesus send His followers out to live according to His example, which He said would draw men to what they could clearly see to be the truth.

Mohammed told his followers to fight all men until they convert to Islam’s version of the truth. Osama bin Laden quoted Islam’s great commission during the post 9/11 Afghan campaign: “I was ordered to fight all men until they say, ‘There is no god but Allah.”

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Romans 12

9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10 Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12 rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13 distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.
14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse.** 15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

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While realizing what the Catechism says concerning Islam, I do admit they worship the One God. I have to admit that as there is no other God to worship. Only one exists. So they claim to be monotheistic therefore they worship the same God that we do. On the other hand, they must see a side of Him we cannot see, for He is murderous indeed.

This is the difficulty in reconciling the Catechetical statements on Islam with the world we have around us, for in our world Islam more resembles paganism and barbarianism than it does Catholicism.

But for that matter the same with Judaism, but to a more limited extent. For instance the piece in the paper today of the Jewish rabbi calling for the deaths of all Palestinian males. Paganistic and barbaric.

And the outcry over the Pope’s speech calling for the assassination of the Pope, the beheadings in the Middle East and the hanging of the heads on bridges reminds me immediately of the shrunken heads of humans Cost Plus used to import to the states when I was a kid. For fifty cents a person could buy the shrunken head of the enemy of a particular tribe in the philippines. Today we would call that paganistic and barbaric. There is no doubt in anyone’s mind that the head hunters of the philippines were pagans. But there seems to be doubt that Muslims are pagans. Probably due to the Catechetical statements on Islam.

Recently I have decided trying to find the common ground between Catholicism and Islam is not for the average person- it is something to be reserved for the greatest theologians for a person of average intelligence at some point has to say if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck maybe it really is a duck. And right now Islam is barbaric and murderous and Judaism as well. They cry out about Allah and Yahweh but what kind of a God demands blood revenge, executions, wholesale slaughter of innocent civilians, beheadings of Christians and the deaths of Palestinian males? Pagan religions do.

Pagans demand death and cruelty. Not holy people following God. Sometimes the Catechism is a mystery.
Trying reading the Bible and finding similarities between the Jewish person and the Christian. You will be much better off.
 
Jews and Muslims worship the same God.

Christians worship Jesus.

Any kid can understand that . The problem is that Christianity comes after Judaism and the Initiater of teh Christian faith was a jew. If it werent for that Christians would be calling jews Heathens barbaric with no mercy just as they call muslims.

Lets face it, If you give someone the Old testament and then explain to him islam & Christianity he would choose islam to be worshipping the same God . YOU DONT NEED to be a jew to worsip the God of moses. Muslims are already worshipping the Same God because they simply fulfill the Noahide Laws & the Ten comandements .

The Core of the christian dogma is by definition of the jewish faith and Islamic faith Idoloutrous.

So Islam worship the same God as the jews do yes But both we AND the jews ( without bieng politically correct ) do not worship the Christian God. Christianity can be derived from Judaism but it is not worshipping their God . At least not what they understand him to be .

salam
 
Jews and Muslims worship the same God.

Christians worship Jesus.

Any kid can understand that . The problem is that Christianity comes after Judaism and the Initiater of teh Christian faith was a jew. If it werent for that Christians would be calling jews Heathens barbaric with no mercy just as they call muslims.

Lets face it, If you give someone the Old testament and then explain to him islam & Christianity he would choose islam to be worshipping the same God . YOU DONT NEED to be a jew to worsip the God of moses. Muslims are already worshipping the Same God because they simply fulfill the Noahide Laws & the Ten comandements .

The Core of the christian dogma is by definition of the jewish faith and Islamic faith Idoloutrous.

So Islam worship the same God as the jews do yes But both we AND the jews ( without bieng politically correct ) do not worship the Christian God. Christianity can be derived from Judaism but it is not worshipping their God . At least not what they understand him to be .

salam
Yes, meedo, we understand what Islam teaches. My point was discussing what Catholicism teaches. But thank you for your supporting argument.
 
Jews and Muslims worship the same God.

Christians worship Jesus.

Any kid can understand that . The problem is that Christianity comes after Judaism and the Initiater of teh Christian faith was a jew. If it werent for that Christians would be calling jews Heathens barbaric with no mercy just as they call muslims.

Lets face it, If you give someone the Old testament and then explain to him islam & Christianity he would choose islam to be worshipping the same God . YOU DONT NEED to be a jew to worsip the God of moses. Muslims are already worshipping the Same God because they simply fulfill the Noahide Laws & the Ten comandements .
How have you fulfilled the Ten Commandments?

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen?
 
This logic can be used to show that Jews, Christians, AND Muslims don’t worship the same God. A Jew could use the same reasoning against Islam.

Because Jesus was Jewish we retain the Jewish basis for our faith. Much more then Islam did. You can trace Christianity back to its Jewish roots. Islam however was not founded by a Jew. It retains more pagan beliefs such as jinn and the kaaba and the pilgrimage. It has a patina of heretical Christianity and debased Judaism, but that is not its heart. Someone reading the OT and then the NT would choose Christianity and recognize the same God. In fact many have done so. Christianity completes Judaism, but we don’t think it is blasphmous.

He is correct in identifying the difference being the divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity. Although even Islam was influenced by Nestorianism in this regard. Albeit in a garbled form. Does Islam teach the same God as Judaism and Islam? You could argue yes, but it would only be in a very vague and broad sense.

Also this logic can be used to show that Christians commit shirk and are therefore liable for persecution and punishment. Islamic terrorists do precisely that. So Muslims would believe we are blasphemous for our faith in Christ as God and Man (and Jews also since they reject Muhammed). So here we can see the seeds of the current problem of Islamic violence. Thank you meedo.
 
How have you fulfilled the Ten Commandments?

Have you ever told a lie? Have you ever stolen?
what i am tryingt to say is that the Ten commandements are considered also commanedements in Islam as well. So are the Noahide Laws .

Thus Muslims worship the same God . When we imagine God we imagine him as the God of Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Mohammed and all creations. Same asJews Imagine him.

When Christians Imagine God they imagine Jesus .

To Cestusdei

Faith is not Inherited !!! Or else all humans would be believers because they are the sons of Adam !! Hec You have Jews Turned athietss would that mean that now athiests can trace their non belief to Judaism!!! Your argument makes no sense and Please dont change the subject to Violence!!

Thanks
 
Jews and Muslims worship the same God.

Christians worship Jesus.

Any kid can understand that . The problem is that Christianity comes after Judaism and the Initiater of teh Christian faith was a jew. If it werent for that Christians would be calling jews Heathens barbaric with no mercy just as they call muslims.

Lets face it, If you give someone the Old testament and then explain to him islam & Christianity he would choose islam to be worshipping the same God . YOU DONT NEED to be a jew to worsip the God of moses. Muslims are already worshipping the Same God because they simply fulfill the Noahide Laws & the Ten comandements .

The Core of the christian dogma is by definition of the jewish faith and Islamic faith Idoloutrous.

So Islam worship the same God as the jews do yes But both we AND the jews ( without bieng politically correct ) do not worship the Christian God. Christianity can be derived from Judaism but it is not worshipping their God . At least not what they understand him to be .

salam
do not forget that it was JEWS who wrote the NT…it was the JEWISH Messiah who claimed to be God, not Christians. So if some Jews rejected the Messiah and his divinity, others accepted both cuz they saw what they preached. The prophecies in OT are about Jesus, NONE about Muhammad who had NOTHING to do with God’s covenant and the prophecies are about a divine Messiah whether you like it or not.
 
what i am tryingt to say is that the Ten commandements are considered also commanedements in Islam as well. So are the Noahide Laws .

Thus Muslims worship the same God . When we imagine God we imagine him as the God of Moses and Abraham and Jesus and Mohammed and all creations. Same asJews Imagine him.

When Christians Imagine God they imagine Jesus .

To Cestusdei

Faith is not Inherited !!! Or else all humans would be believers because they are the sons of Adam !! Hec You have Jews Turned athietss would that mean that now athiests can trace their non belief to Judaism!!! Your argument makes no sense and Please dont change the subject to Violence!!

Thanks
Again your limited understanding of Christianity is showing. When Christians imagine God they imagine God the Father of Abraham, Moses, Mohammad and Jesus, and they Imagine Jesus as Lord, and the Holy Spirit the Paraclete- the truth. That is why we call it Trinity. A triune God. The God you portray that we worship is not triune.
 
Again your limited understanding of Christianity is showing. When Christians imagine God they imagine God the Father of Abraham, Moses, Mohammad and Jesus, and they Imagine Jesus as Lord, and the Holy Spirit the Paraclete- the truth. That is why we call it Trinity. A triune God. The God you portray that we worship is not triune.
Well, we enter into what is the trinity question again. Dont christians believe they are all faces for the one thing ? Or they are 3 separate entities?!!

When you imagine God when you meet him on judgemet day do you see 3 persons infront of you or one person?

If one person whom do you see?!!
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Well, we enter into what is the trinity question again. Dont christians believe they are all faces for the one thing ? Or they are 3 separate entities?!!

When you imagine God when you meet him on judgemet day do you see 3 persons infront of you or one person?

If one person whom do you see?!!
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The Trinity- the belief that in the one Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Our creed “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and there is only one God.”

All three of these Persons in the one Godhead are the also the God of Abraham, Moses, Mohammad, Elijah and Jesus.

So your understanding of Christianity stating only Jesus is God is way off, obviously.
 
do not forget that it was JEWS who wrote the NT…it was the JEWISH Messiah who claimed to be God, not Christians. So if some Jews rejected the Messiah and his divinity, others accepted both cuz they saw what they preached. The prophecies in OT are about Jesus, NONE about Muhammad who had NOTHING to do with God’s covenant and the prophecies are about a divine Messiah whether you like it or not.
To prove what you wrote above is based on Christianity itself. So if some jews believed in the messiah that is Jesus and the majority disbelieved … why should i take the few jews to be the real interpretaters of the Majority of the jews? !!

If the jewish messiah claimed to be God then he is NOT JEWISH ANY MORE!!! According to Jews themselves and please know that Jews have answers for all the projections of Jesus in the OT . Why should i take your word as a chriatian or any christian scholar about a jewish text !!!

You get your interpretation about jesus bieng god from jew who no more became a jew since he believed in a fundamentaly heretic belief according to the jews. In which he believed that He is God or he si the son of God. If i want to know true judaism i will go to the real jews who had the same Faith all the time and ask them .

The Only link that links teh Dogma oif Christianity in any way to Judaism is a blood link of the early christians bieng jewish .

THAT doesnt constitue faith!!! That constitue bloodline!!! There are jews who became athiests and jews who became even Bhudists and there erae jews who worshipped the calv that were even more Jewish concentrated blood line than jesus was.

Now would i expect some calv worshipping man to com eto me and say that his faith has link to Judaism because his calv ancestor worshippers were jews!!!

Ofocurse not because it goes againts mainstream Judaism. and So equaliy is christianity Goes against mainsteam judaism .

IT ISNT ABOUT BLOOD LINE ITS ABOUT FAITH !! ( i am not shouting i am just making it clear)

Did you get the analogy?

Thanks
 
What attributes in the Koran are incompatable with the Christian belief in God’s attributes?
The outright denial of the persons of the Trinity, and the blasphemous treatment of Jesus Christ for starters. See Also: Abrogation, Ordered Destruction of non-believers, etc.
 
The Trinity- the belief that in the one Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another. Our creed “the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and there is only one God.”

All three of these Persons in the one Godhead are the also the God of Abraham, Moses, Mohammad, Elijah and Jesus.

So your understanding of Christianity stating only Jesus is God is way off, obviously.
So basicly God is one but divided into 3 distinct parts.?

that means that while Jesus God was on earth , Father God was in the sky and the Holy Ghost God was also around . all of them separate

or God is one but can change into 3 different forms?

That means that while jesus was on earth there was nobody any where else. and Jesus was praying to nobody then .

If God is 3 distinct parts , which part will you see on judgement day ?

If God is in 3 forms which form will he appear to us in judgement day ?

i am really really sineceley wanna know once and for all what do christians believe?!!!:confused:
 
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