Which he had in the first couple of replies, then people started to interpret canon law themselves and give their opinions which differ from what the Catholic Church actually teaches.
I agree with Br. David that this thread should be closed. There are some misrepresentations of the Church law and sacramental theology. There are also some needless attacks on the Ordinary Form of the mass, which violate what Pope Benedict said in Summorum Pontificum, when he said that there would be no division over the two forms. The laity is creating the division. In this case the original question was pretty black and white and the answer should have been the same.
Even if we disagree on this point, I do respect and appreciate your courtessy. Thank you very much. It is a pleasure talking with someone who can have a different opinion and be civil. In fact, I find it encouraging.
HOWEVER . . . next time you want to show respect for someone, don’t remind them that they are your elder,
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
Aye! Aye!The OP believes the OF is the problem. In all reality it’s the OP (and those who share his mindset) that’s the problem not the OF. Sadly he and others will likely never be able to acknowledge that.
It is called a strawman. You bring out the easiest argument to beat and dress it up as if it is the real issue. Who can argue with a cheesehead? What faithful Catholic can defend, or would want to, Call to Action? Yet these always appear in thread that have nothing to do with these lunacies. These were not the Masses that the OP decided no to attend.
Yes indeedy. Many OP’s used to be strawman arguments – overtly offensive from the very beginning. Now I see strawmen used in defensive situations more and more. It usually goes something like this:
Someone asked about a CTA Mass and I provided and now you want to attack me based upon that? Puppets or no puppets you miss the point entirely. Look up CTA and then tell me you would attend one of their liturgies.
Then my apologies for quoting your post. I did not remember who started that silliness.
There is no such thing as a “CTA Mass.” Quit making things up.
You’re obviously smarter than 60 wpm but yet you don’t understand what is meant by CTA Mass… what would you prefer to call it? CTA Liturgies? Or perhaps “Assemblies-of- heretical-priests-and-heretical-parishioners-effecting-a-valid-consecration”?
Off Topic. Is there something stopping you from understanding this?
It’s not off topic… discussions evolve and he’s the one who asked.
***As I said in my earlier post the Third Commandment is a a COMMAND not a suggestion. For you to presume the right to pick and choose is not a choice given to you by Christ! If with 100% certainty you KNEW before hand that the Mass you were going to attend was
***No I would say that the baby boomer generation who wanted the liturgy changed in the first place and have pretty much taken over the liturgy are more like the protestants. And unfortunately this generation is suffering for it. I’m not an ultraconservatist like you may think. But I do see a serious deficiency in the OF Mass. And that is way too much lay participation in priestly duties. Give me back ad-orientum, altar boys (not servers), classical Roman Catholic music (not contemporary), no more EMHC, and then I may like the OF. It’s pretty sad when some protestant denominations, like the Lutheran Church Missouri Synod, or one of the Continuing Anglican churches, can put out a way better traditionally done English Mass than most Roman Catholic churches can.
What sorta slur is that? You are suggesting that Catholics who attend the OF Mass (more than 99% of the World’s Catholics) are Protestant?
Why not begin by calling the Ordinary Form of the Mass by something that’s not a bigoted slur like “NO Mass?”A person can be a Traditional Catholic and go to the NO Mass. I tell you this because I go to the NO Mass. I did quite enjoy the Latin Mass when I went but it is not offered anywhere near me and I love my parish.
I am a cantor there and I am there to Worship, receive the Eucharist and be near the Lord. I know one can go to Latin Mass or NO Mass and not live a true Catholic life. Being Catholic is a way of life…a way of being… and a way to shine light into the hurting world. **Those who meet us should know we are Catholics by our love of each other and compassion. ** Mass is something which is an honor, and obligation each and every week as Catholics. We are blessed to have the Mass available to us as many countries in this world do not have this available. I pray for them. Its wonderful to enjoy the Latin Mass…I see the true beauty in it and reverance. Both are wonderful in their own way.
God bless!
What sorta slur is that? You are suggesting that Catholics
who attend the OF Mass (more than 99% of the World’s Catholics) are Protestant?
Are you implying that 99% of the Worlds Catholics are baby boomers. 60 and up. I didn’t say all Catholics.
Further you feel YOU have the authority and knowlege to make the comment
“I do see a serious deficiency in the OF Mass”? I’m sorry but how stunningly arrogant!
I don’t need to display authority or knowledge. I’ve never experienced Gregorian Chant at Mass or Ad-Orientum. I was an altar boy, not altar server, back in the seventies, so I have seen the changes.
It’s perfectly acceptable to say one is personally better nourished by (let’s say) the EF Mass. But to suggest one is qualified to evaluate any Mass truly boggles my mind.
Who would you deem qualified. A lay person with a degree in Liturgy (A liturgicist).
Catholics need to put their faith in God through the Catholic Church and not in themselves as arbiters of what is good or bad.
So you don’t think we should have an opinion. Just keep our mouth shut, and let the liberals do what they want. Look what has just happened to the Episcopal church.