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Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,Evolution, evolution,

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no one seems to care where the Spirit, where the Soul, where I came from…
The Spirit, The Soul, I, me…

AS

The important is the Soul, the Spirit, which are eternal and immortal, not the Body, which dies.

Will anybody deal with the Soul, the Spirit.
There is no scientific evidence for the soul, although some try to connect human development with the soul which cannot be examined by science.

Peace,
Ed
 
I see someone who has no idea what they’re talking about, claiming understanding of the sources they cite, when those sources in reality oppose your position and you’re shooting yourself in the foot with them. I also see poor, non-scholarly sources and op-ed pieces from non-experts. I could write an article about something too. That doesn’t make it worthy of being cited. You want people to start accepting your idea? Publish papers about it, with experimentation and data collection. Give speeches at symposiums. Teach classes on it at your church. Get enough information to actually teach a class on it at your church instead of a post every month or so. Spamming a link to your blog like this is nothing more than personal advertisement. It should be removed, like all other spamming people do. Rather, you should recognize what you’re doing and willingly stop yourself. That would be ideal. Before the evo-ban, it was half of what you post. I kept track.
Thanks for the endorsement.šŸ˜‰ šŸ™‚

Give me your three best from the IDvolution resource page that support your claim they oppose IDvolution.

I am not ashamed to be and ID proponent and dialoguing here. IDvolution is a philosophy and there is no censureship on the free expression of ideas. It is based on Revelation and the latest science. Anyone will quickly see references to peer reviewed papers.

Anyone is welcome to specifically argue and make REAL arguments against it not ā€œhit postsā€ such as this.
 
Thanks for the endorsement.šŸ˜‰ šŸ™‚

Give me your three best from the IDvolution resource page that support your claim they oppose IDvolution.

I am not ashamed to be and ID proponent and dialoguing here. IDvolution is a philosophy and there is no censureship on the free expression of ideas. It is based on Revelation and the latest science. Anyone will quickly see references to peer reviewed papers.

Anyone is welcome to specifically argue and make REAL arguments against it not ā€œhit postsā€ such as this.
You should probably re-read what I said, because you seem to have not understood a single word. Also, you can loose the patronizing attitude you’re using to try to anger me. It’s not going to work.
 
You should probably re-read what I said, because you seem to have not understood a single word. Also, you can loose the patronizing attitude you’re using to try to anger me. It’s not going to work.
I’ll let it rest…if we continue another thread will be shut down.
 
seriously, if you believe in creation, how did man/woman come to be?? do you believe a fully formed man/or baby just ā€˜appeared’??etc…what is your belief on the PHYSICAL creation of man??serious replies only…ty
I believe there is no past, or rather the past exists only as an element of the imagination, of a particular metaphysics. Derrida argues that the whole concept of historicism is founded upon logocentrism. The competing narratives/fictions/fact-ions/myths of evolution and creation are just that.

By definition, only the present has ā€˜real’ existence. Within the present, competing narratives exist. Why not accept both narratives for what they are? Keep both the mythology of science and the mythology of creation. Since they are separate discourses, separate language games, why even bother trying to reconcile or abitrate between them? Perhaps we can have several, even hundred of creation stories, and believe them all? And why not?
 
The Catholic Church deals with the whole person including the spiritual soul.

For some extremely interesting reading, check out paragraphs 355 - 421 in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition. scborromeo.org/ccc.htm

Warning – :eek:

This CCC section contains some heavy stuff, so it is advised to keep dark chocolate nearby.

Blessings,
granny

The human person is worthy of profound respect.
I know the stuff, thanks.
First it was Body and Soul.
Then, the Whole Person.
But with the Whole Person people forgot the Soul and the Whole Person became the Body.
If you see in the thread, regarding the origin of Man, people speaks about the Body.
That is why I threw the gaunt: WHERE IS THE SOUL ???
 
I know the stuff, thanks.
First it was Body and Soul.
Then, the Whole Person.
But with the Whole Person people forgot the Soul and the Whole Person became the Body.
If you see in the thread, regarding the origin of Man, people speaks about the Body.
That is why I threw the gaunt: WHERE IS THE SOUL ???
You are right. Currently.

Many, many moons ago, in some geographic areas, the ā€œwhole personā€ was a Catholic concept which actually included the soul. Basic philosophy and Catholic theology courses were part of a liberal arts education.

On CAF, I have used ā€œfully-completeā€ human such as Adam to differentiate between our human nature and the material nature of archaic beings. I am wondering how younger people would react if I used ā€œwhole personā€ with my usual description of human nature which is an unique unification of both the material world and the spiritual world.

I wonder if re-introducing ā€œwholenessā€ would help people recognize their emptiness.
 
hi ther, please save your rbeath with all this philosophy and just start thinking…i only bekleive in God and no other idea…simply because it’s a stupid think that believe that mankind was born from ā€˜nothing’

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Also completely contrary to the spirit of the theory of evolution is that all life seems to trace back to a single, common ancestor, sprung from the theoretical primordial ooze. Whether the ooze was located in a tide pool struck by lightning or swirling around a hydrothermal vent, these aren’t unique circumstances that existed for a brief period 4 billion years ago and then disappeared. They’ve persisted throughout the entire history of the planet. Logically speaking, shouldn’t entirely new branches of life be springing up all the time? What made that one single point 4 billion years ago so special that it’s never been repeated? The ā€œripe conditionsā€ from which life sprung forth have always been here; why isn’t more life spontaneously springing forth all the time? Evolution doesn’t just allow for that; it practically mandates it. The fact that it’s not occurring all the time seems to indicate that there’s something else at play.
False. Organic chemistry that allowed for the origin of life required a reducing atmosphere on the Earth, or at minimum, a neutral one. In today’s oxidizing atmosphere such chemistry would be impossible outside currently living beings themselves. The oxidizing atmosphere was created by life, so life itself effectively ensured that new life currently cannot arise from scratch.

Also, even if it could, today’s ubiquitous bacteria would consume it right away. fragile and defenseless as it would be.
 
SaintPatrick333;8996709:
[Headline:Pope says evolution can’t be proven]

I added the headline title myself so some one can quickly asses what the article is about.

But my understanding is that nothing in science is ever ā€œproven.ā€ At most it can be supported by evidence (by being successful at making predictions, providing explanations for observations, so on). Also it’s possible for some one to believe something is true without being able to prove it. So I don’t think the article contradicts SaintPatrick333’s statement
 
I would just like to point out that if I was Christian (or any other form of belief for that matter) I would completely support evolution. If you believe in God, I see no harm in saying that evolution was preplanned.
In fact, if you assume, just for the sake of argument, that the multiple species initially relegated to the ā€œunknownā€ phylum truly represented completely unique phyla, then as time goes on, life appears to be becoming less diverse at a higher level, regardless of the number of species. This seems counterintuitive to evolution on a whole, which should allow for greater diversification over time, not less.
Greater diversification is represented in the number of species. Survival of the fittest does not imply that new phyla will appear from nowhere. We are not becoming less diversified, we are becoming more ā€œfitā€ for our environment. For example, if mammals went extinct tomorrow by an asteroid, a snake who buries himself underground will find a new world in which predators no longer remain.
Also completely contrary to the spirit of the theory of evolution is that all life seems to trace back to a single, common ancestor, sprung from the theoretical primordial ooze. Whether the ooze was located in a tide pool struck by lightning or swirling around a hydrothermal vent, these aren’t unique circumstances that existed for a brief period 4 billion years ago and then disappeared.
Earth was an extremely hostile environment 4 billion years ago! Here is an experiment which attempted to recreate conditions of early Earth. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment) My issue with your statement is that it seems you are assuming Earth has always been like this. Let’s say, for the sake of discussion, that early Earth had an extremely large amount of methane. The early forms of life (which would be nothing more than simple chemical reactions) would be like a plant’s photosynthesis… or perhaps imagine Earth as a piece of bread which eventually mold grows on. It would ā€œfeedā€ off of the methane but releasing a byproduct. Let’s say this byproduct was oxygen, which would thus be released but remain close to the planet due to gravity. Rock minerals are dense and heavy, so the byproduct oxygen would be above the rock, or ā€œatmosphere.ā€
Logically speaking, shouldn’t entirely new branches of life be springing up all the time?
No because evolution doesn’t tell us how life begins. That is a completely different field of science! (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis) Evolution only tells us how life changes and adapts, not how it is originated. This is something I believe Darwin was unaware of… only because this field was still vague or unknown… not saying it still isn’t though šŸ™‚
What made that one single point 4 billion years ago so special that it’s never been repeated? The ā€œripe conditionsā€ from which life sprung forth have always been here; why isn’t more life spontaneously springing forth all the time?
I suggest reading into Earth’s early atmosphere. Scientist have actually discovered small marine multicellular organisms, in the present, that doesn’t use oxygen. It isn’t answers, but it helps understand how life works.
Evolution doesn’t just allow for that; it practically mandates it. The fact that it’s not occurring all the time seems to indicate that there’s something else at play.
As stated above, evolution does not explain how life ā€œsprings forth.ā€ It simply explains the changes or adaptations about the life that has already sprung forth.
 
edwest2;8998189:
I added the headline title myself so some one can quickly asses what the article is about.

But my understanding is that nothing in science is ever ā€œproven.ā€ At most it can be supported by evidence
(by being successful at making predictions, providing explanations for observations, so on). Also it’s possible for some one to believe something is true without being able to prove it. So I don’t think the article contradicts SaintPatrick333’s statement

Emphasis mine.

Catholics, when mountains of ā€œevidenceā€ are dumped on them, need to understand that the ā€œevidenceā€ is limited to what it can infer.
 
hi ther, please save your rbeath with all this philosophy and just start thinking…i only bekleive in God and no other idea…simply because it’s a stupid think that believe that mankind was born from ā€˜nothing’

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That is a philosophical conclusion, karlaa.
 
Catholics, when mountains of ā€œevidenceā€ are dumped on them, need to understand that the ā€œevidenceā€ is limited to what it can reasonably infer.
 
As stated above, evolution does not explain how life ā€œsprings forth.ā€ It simply explains the changes or adaptations about the life that has already sprung forth.
In fact, it does no such thing.

Adaptation is not part of evolution. Adaptation happens by drawing upon pre-existing genetic combinations or potentialities. It is not part of evolution. Darwin thought so because genetics then did not exist.

Genetic ā€œchangeā€ is called genetic disorder and it is always vicious. It is a medical issue. You do not want your children to have a single genetic ā€œchangeā€ if at all possible.
 
In fact, it does no such thing.

Adaptation is not part of evolution. Adaptation happens by drawing upon pre-existing genetic combinations or potentialities. It is not part of evolution. Darwin thought so because genetics then did not exist.

Genetic ā€œchangeā€ is called genetic disorder and it is always vicious. It is a medical issue. You do not want your children to have a single genetic ā€œchangeā€ if at all possible.
Considering the human nature which we inherited from the first human being, Adam, genetic changes or adaptations or whatever are not always vicious. Consider the human immune system as one which can benefit from positive genetic changes.

I mention humans, because human nature is peerless. It is the pinnacle of God’s creation. One has to be very careful when applying biological theories to the human person as a whole. Granted that the human body is made of matter and thus science can rightly explore it. However the whole person is more than genetics. The whole person includes the spiritual soul.
 
Adaptation is not part of evolution. Adaptation happens by drawing upon pre-existing genetic combinations or potentialities. It is not part of evolution. Darwin thought so because genetics then did not exist.
Adaptation not part of evolution? Genetic potentialities? Are you implying that before there was land animals, the marine life had the ā€œgenetic potentialityā€ to have legs and walk!?
Genetic ā€œchangeā€ is called genetic disorder and it is always vicious. It is a medical issue. You do not want your children to have a single genetic ā€œchangeā€ if at all possible.
Yes after billions and millions of years, the genetic code has become very complex and is subject to genetic disorders. However, the first DNA sequences were much simpler. This is why evolution explains the change to the genetic code.
 
False. Organic chemistry that allowed for the origin of life required a reducing atmosphere on the Earth, or at minimum, a neutral one. In today’s oxidizing atmosphere such chemistry would be impossible outside currently living beings themselves. The oxidizing atmosphere was created by life, so life itself effectively ensured that new life currently cannot arise from scratch.

Also, even if it could, today’s ubiquitous bacteria would consume it right away. fragile and defenseless as it would be.
Granny’s dumb question, number 327. The organic chemistry that allowed for the origin of life – did it exist everywhere on the planet earth? If yes, what would that conclusion be based on?

I am trying to search out a possible answer to the OP question – ā€œhow did man/woman come to be??ā€ Human life is unique so it seems to me that the first two humans, one man and one woman, could have come to be just about any place. Even the dinosaurs could have lived just about any place. Of course, once the chemistry conditions allowed life to originate, the environment would have to support the living organisms. Probably, question number 327 needs to be answered first.
 
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