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[ProVobis]

Populorum Progressio? Did you read it?

This was actually written by Pope Paul VI. Consider this:

Population Growth

1. There is no denying that the accelerated rate of population growth brings many added difficulties to the problems of development where the size of the population grows more rapidly than the quantity of available resources to such a degree that things seem to have reached an impasse. In such circumstances people are inclined to apply drastic remedies to reduce the birth rate.

There is no doubt that public authorities can intervene in this matter, within the bounds of their competence. They can instruct citizens on this subject and adopt appropriate measures, so long as these are in conformity with the dictates of the moral law and the rightful freedom of married couples is preserved completely intact. When the inalienable right of marriage and of procreation is taken away, so is human dignity.

Finally, it is for parents to take a thorough look at the matter and decide upon the number of their children. This is an obligation they take upon themselves, before their children already born, and before the community to which they belong—following the dictates of their own consciences informed by God’s law authentically interpreted, and bolstered by their trust in Him. (39)

Is this a wonder why people thought birth control was okay, the pill being the most convenient?

 

[edwest2]

He brought together a group, and then later expanded the group.

Part of the initial problem was that the Church had never in 2000 years moved as fast about such a major question as the Pill caused. Many people at the timebelieved that the Pill only regulated the woman’s cycle (it helps to remember that science and medicine have progressed tremendously in terms of understanding since the mid 1960’s) and there were legitimate questions on the table.

And theologians were split before P 6th called the commission. There was no single answer given with any authority; and as such it was a question upon which confessors did not have an absolute answer.

It is easy to go back with the knowlege we have today and say they were all wrong; it is entirely a different matter to say that they should have known, or did know, what we know today.

More baloney. The Pill did not appear by itself. It was approved by the FDA in May 1960. The FDA knew it was a contraceptive and that’s what it was. No greater or modern knowledge was required to know that.

Peace,
Ed

 

[edwest2]

This was actually written by Pope Paul VI. Consider this:

Is this a wonder why people thought birth control was okay, the pill being the most convenient?

You are attempting to confuse the issue. First, throughout that document, God is first, not man. It may surprise some here, but the goal is self control not pills or condoms or anything else. The Pill was expensive when initially introduced and it was available only by perscription. Poor people were unlikely to have access to it and it took another year or so before it reached the UK and Australia, much less other countries.

The Pill was clearly not OK for the Church. It was not a Catholic Answer to a problem that could be regulated by husband and wife while planning their lives.

Peace,
Ed

 

[ProVobis]

You are attempting to confuse the issue.

Hey, I didn’t write it. Paul VI wrote it. How can you defend that papal document? If anything confused Catholics, that was it. Humanae Vitae was damage control. I know, I lived during the period. Poor, shmoor, the governments were funding the pill and abortions.