If only the Democrats gave up supporting abortion, we could all vote for them and their victory would be assured

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Maximian said:
Same sex marriage isn’t opposed by any party
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Yep and didn’t Trump retweet a tweet that claimed he was the most pro-gay president ever and reply this was a great honor for him?

I’d still probably pick him over the Democrats if I was an American citizen but it’s true, neither party is against gay rights in the US. I suppose neither can be these days.
 
I wish the Democrats would give up on abortion.

Their stand on social issues is more appealing, but, no party is perfect for Catholics.

At least the Democrats have platform.
 
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And labor not only would lose tens if not hundreds of thousands of jobs if Joe wins; during the debates he was crystal clear fracking and oil and coal were going to come to an abrupt grinding halt, His flip flop this week is pandering to those labor unions - and I am not sure they are slow enough on the uptake level to buy that - the fact that they work with their hands does not mean they are not intelligent.
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Both of the major parties pander to organized labor when they’re seeking votes. Republicans, however, prioritize “right to work” laws which weaken unions. I agree with the old adage, “right to work” really means “right to work for less”: less pay, less benefits, less safety regulations. When it comes to labor, Republicans generally propose and implement laws which favor business owners, tipping the balance of power in their favor. Democrats generally propose and implement laws which favor unions. There are exceptions, I know, but exceptions don’t invalidate the rule. All other issues aside, as a union member I know the Republican party is not looking out for my best interests.
 
I question the statement “we could all vote for them.”

I don’t know who this “we” refers to.

I’m a Catholic and I wouldn’t vote for them even if they gave up supporting abortion.

They support a repeal of the Trump tax cuts; they support looters and rioters (or at least don’t speak out against them); and they put the interests of illegal aliens over those of Americans.

No, thank you.
 
You can say the same about the Republicans.

Face it. The US is now for the corporation, by the corporation.

We the people are just considered sheep to be sheared and we are running out of wool.
 
Sarcelle said:
You can say the same about the Republicans.

Face it. The US is now for the corporation, by the corporation.

We the people are just considered sheep to be sheared and we are running out of wool.
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I agree. But, there is this constant propaganda about how the democrats are for the workers, for the people, how they save animals, kiss babies and don’t contribute to global warming, and how they will save the planet, etc. and so forth.

I am only asking one question and that is - what is the platform of the Democratic party?
So far what I am hearing are these:
get rid of Trump
abortion, even after birth
BLM
free education
free health care
green new deal
promote gender ideology
population control
no free speech
no guns
tax the rich (they will not tax themselves and their billionaire power base)
tax everyone else (this is definite)

These are not plans or proposals. No details are available.
 
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What’s sad and awful about the Democratic Party is their complete intolerance of anyone who is anti-abortion. For better or for worse, one can be pro-choice and still be in good standing inside the Republican Party. One cannot be pro-life and still be able to run as a Democratic Party candidate.

That Democrats have made being pro-abortion a centerpiece and strict litmus test for being able to run as a Democrat is sad and will ultimately prove self-defeating.
 
You think that’s the only reason some Catholics don’t vote for them?
 
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The republicans have one, it’s the same one from 2016. They just didn’t put out a new one.
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Or you could read it as they have no agenda other than Trump’s. They didn’t vote to adopt the 2016 platform as the one for 2020.

RESOLVED, That the Republican Party has and will continue to enthusiastically support the President’s America-first agenda;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention will adjourn without adopting a new platform until the 2024 Republican National Convention;

RESOLVED, That the 2020 Republican National Convention calls on the media to engage in accurate and unbiased reporting, especially as it relates to the strong support of the RNC for President Trump and his Administration; and

RESOLVED, That any motion to amend the 2016 Platform or to adopt a new platform, including any motion to suspend the procedures that will allow doing so, will be ruled out of order.
 
A. It will never happen.
B. They are openly hostile to members that are Pro-Life
C. What about their other anti-Catholic postions (anti-family, pro same-sex marriage…)?
 
I suppose you could read it that way. I wouldn’t argue that their platform is just Trumps platform, but I also don’t see that as a negative.
 
Maximian said:
Why do they insist on keeping this point on their platform?
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For the same reason I could not vote for them if they changed their position on abortion: they are statists who have abandoned classic Liberalism in favor of totalitarianism.
 
Yeah, on it’s surface there’s not much there I disagree with. But platitudes don’t say much, how he goes about implementing the actions to secure those stated goals will matter much more.
 
Our battle really isn’t with political parties but with Powers and Principalites. You can certainly make the case that political parties can be included in Principalities, of course. But both parties have issues, the democratic party having the prime and most grave issue. So the evil one is at work in both parties to some extent. Unfortunately abortion is the gravest moral evil at hand. We talk about it so much that we become numb to what it is. The democratic party platform is heinous and barbaric, openly so.

In my lay opinion, if the atheist left comes to power in the US the persecution of the Catholic Church will begin in earnest. That’s really the point of it all; the underlying struggle between good and evil. The political parties are simply vehicles and labels.
 
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