If only the Democrats gave up supporting abortion, we could all vote for them and their victory would be assured

[vz71]

In my lay opinion, if the atheist left comes to power in the US the persecution of the Catholic Church will begin in earnest.

I believe the persecution has already begun.

Remember the Little Sisters of the Poor.

 

[goout]

goout:

In my lay opinion, if the atheist left comes to power in the US the persecution of the Catholic Church will begin in earnest.

I believe the persecution has already begun.

Remember the Little Sisters of the Poor.

Yes and (in my largely irrelevant) opinion the gloves will come off. The tax exemption will be one thing. More disregard for"belief exceptions" like the Little Sisters.
And then forced property use. And restriction of public speech against moral issues.

The Catholic Church is really the only organised resistance to the big moral issues. Mainline protestant communities are indifferent or ambiguous in their public stances. Evangelicals stand with the CC on many things but don’t really have a unified front to attack.

 

[otjm]

Face it. The US is now for the corporation, by the corporation.

We the people are just considered sheep to be sheared and we are running out of wool.

About 70% of businesses are small business owners; they may be incorporated for legal protection, but they are not the publicly traded companies - aka :“Big Business”

So your comment about “for the corporation, by the corporation” is applicable to publicly traded companies, but not to the mom and pop companies.

Several years ago a local company spun off one of its divisions and sold it to a publicly traded company. That company was largely unionized, and the division chose to not unionize. The disagreement went back and forth, a good part of it in the paper, and the most amusing exchange had to do with the engineers, who were given bonuses at the end of the year. The union boss publicly stated that it was obvious, since many of those receiving bonuses were the same for year to year that it was “favoritism”; never mind that the engineers who received the bonuses were the drivers of the technology, creating new and better products. In short, it was a variation of the “all animals are equal” argument on the part of the union rep, who could not comprehend that all people achieve the same amount, and no one is better than someone else. And with no disrespect for pipe fitters, they generally do not come up with a better way to fit a pipe; but an engineer is the individual who will come up with a new product, or an improvement to a current one.

I am not anti-union, having belonged to one decades ago while working in college. But we have unions because we have stupid management; smart management knows their most expensive asset is their employees, and takes good care of them. Stupid management threats them as if they were all alike.

Some corporations have treated their employees beyond miserably (take miners as an example) and treated them as a commodity; unions came about to balance the matters. It is debatable as to whether unions have always been the choir members they set themselves up to be; certainly there have been instances of unions holding clout far beyond wages and benefits. It is also true that they have brought laborers, particularly skilled laborers into the middle class. And that is a very good thing.

 

[Benadam]

Abortion is key to their political goal of dissolving the old to solidify the new. It’s necessary to weaken/eliminate the nuclear family.
A weak stunted population need bigger government. It’s all to make humans servants of the state rather than a state that serves the human family.

 

[c4csp]

We would not all vote for them if abortion was not on the ticket. The reason abortion, homosexual “marriage”, and all the other evil is part of their platform is because they are Godless Marxists. There is zero place for God in marxist ideology. Abortion is the gravest evil because innocent unborn babies are being slaughtered now, but it is the Marxism that allows that.

Catholic Church has always condemned Marxism in any form. Read Pope Pius XII, Pius X, Leo XIII. The FBI hired mostly Catholics back in 50’s because they were so anti-communism.

Democrat Party has set themselves apart from God and are an enemy of God and His holy church.

 

[christofirst]

There’s more than one way to be prolife and Democrat, as this article shows. The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act is sponsored by Democrat Jerry Nadler, and seeks to make safe workplace accommodations for pregnant women and new mothers. Why would anyone object to such a bill? Perhaps because it affects the business owners’ bottom line?

catholiclabor.org/2020/09/new-law-would-call-for-workplace-accommodations-for-pregnant-employees/

From the article: “In a particularly notorious incident, a pregnant warehouse worker who asked for light duty was told by a supervisor that she should get an abortion if she couldn’t handle the lifting!”

 

[goout]

There’s more than one way to be prolife and Democrat, as this article shows. The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act is sponsored by Democrat Jerry Nadler, and seeks to make safe workplace accommodations for pregnant women and new mothers. Why would anyone object to such a bill? Perhaps because it affects the business owners’ bottom line?

catholiclabor.org/2020/09/new-law-would-call-for-workplace-accommodations-for-pregnant-employees/

From the article: “In a particularly notorious incident, a pregnant warehouse worker who asked for light duty was told by a supervisor that she should get an abortion if she couldn’t handle the lifting!”

Do you see any hint of hypocrisy in a man who doesn’t acknowledge the basic right of a child to live… then advocating for the rights of a pregnant woman. What kind of alternate universe is he living in?
(should be obvious that a pregnant woman is in fact carrying that human being, and her “condition” is directly attributable to the human being that she is carrying).

If he doesn’t acknowledge the basic right of the unborn child to live, any talk about helping pregnant women is political posturing. What he is doing is using the pregnant woman. Use is not love by any stretch.

 

[christofirst]

If I had to guess, I would say that he is coming from the premise that women currently have the choice, like it or not, and perhaps he thinks that a law attempting to prevent that choice would not be effectively enforceable in our time. Perhaps he thinks an enforceable law which protects women who have made the choice for life is more prudent.

 

[RhodesianSon]

The best thing to do to help reduce abortion is to decrease poverty. Best way to decrease poverty is:

1. Stop as much illegal immigration as possible to stop wage suppression of our poorest workers.
2. Increase tariffs on foreign imports to force more domestic production and raise wages in the US.
3. Larger tax credits for having children.
4. Make first home tax free, and make all child care, education, and living expenses tax deductible.

 

[christofirst]

The best thing to do to help reduce abortion is to decrease poverty.

I was right with you up until this point. The solutions you offer are open to debate, and perhaps there are even better solutions to help the impoverished, but at least we agree that poverty is a major contributing factor.

 

[RhodesianSon]

Of course it also needs to be coupled with banning abortion. Because there are people out there who don’t get abortions due to poverty, but rather treat is as a birth control fail safe.

 

[goout]

If I had to guess, I would say that he is coming from the premise that women currently have the choice, like it or not, and perhaps he thinks that a law attempting to prevent that choice would not be effectively enforceable in our time. Perhaps he thinks an enforceable law which protects women who have made the choice for life is more prudent.

So again, hypocrisy. Legal protections are worth pursuing in his mind, obviously. Or he wouldn’t be proposing laws to protect women in the workplace. Maybe those laws aren’t effective or enforceable either. But still, he would like to pursue those laws while at the same time shoving aside the right of a small female child to live and have the possibility someday of her own child.
That’s hypocrisy.

The fact that legal protections are difficult to enact or enforce are always lame excuses. It’s the language of cowards. By contrast, Christ steps into the middle of established norms that might stone a woman to death. He stands there precisely where the odds are seemingly impossible. The unborn child in our culture is at the “mercy” of the impossible status quo that holds that child to be worthless. To be like Christ is to stand in that middle of that cruelty at the risk of looking foolish and at the risk of harm to one’s self. And at the risk of harm to one’s political career.

 

[christofirst]

I hope you can support laws like The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act, as one positive way to promote life.

 

[goout]

I hope you can support laws like The Pregnant Workers Fairness Act, as one positive way to promote life.

Who could possibly be against helping mothers carrying children in the womb? And what do you think is the point of that? Is it merely for the welfare of the adult woman? What does it mean to you that a woman is pregnant? Is that a medical condition to be ameliorated?

Again, I’d like to point out that the politician in question tolerates the murder of the child in that mother’s womb, since we are speaking about “pregnant women”. The female child in that mother’s womb doesn’t have the luxury of Jerry Nadler’s benevolence.

 

[MikeInVA]

From the article: “In a particularly notorious incident, a pregnant warehouse worker who asked for light duty was told by a supervisor that she should get an abortion if she couldn’t handle the lifting!”

Isn’t there already some law against this kind of behavior?