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It shouldn’t. If Protestants truly understood Mary’s roll, they would not have to accuse others of the misunderstanding of it.This is exactly where “the Protestant idea” of Mary as bordering on demigod comes from.
- There is more to God than “just me and Jesus”. That’s where the Holy Spirit comes in. If you’re trying to say that Mary is an essential part of God currently, you literally have elevated the Trinity into the Quadrinity.
I am not saying or trying to say that Mary is part of the Trinity. Forgive me if I made you think that. Mary is an essential part of God because She is a daughter of the Father, Mother to the Son, and Spouse of the Holy Spirit. God has taken Her amongst all women of history and made Her intimate with Him. God does not need Mary to exist, God does not need Mary at all, but, He did take Her and has elevated Her lowliness.
It makes the difference of Mary serving both God and Man. We are warned against this and since Mary is without sin, we know where Her priorities lie. And, I would have to say, apparently, it does make a difference because those who espouse that Mary had other children also accuse Her of being a sinner, which would alter Her role in history. The Messiah would not come through a woman who belongs to the devil.
- If Mary and Joseph physically copulated, what difference does it make? Does it in any way denigrate her or her role in history as being chosen by the Almighty to bear the Messiah?
Yes, because She cannot serve both God and Man. She made a choice and we should look up to Her for being fully human and only human and chosing God always, without question, and without hesitation.
- If Jesus had blood brothers (half-brothers, actually), does that denigrate Mary personally?
They were waiting for Christ. They were waiting for the Woman who would bring Whom they were waiting for to us. We now have Her. She brought the fulfillment of all for which they waited. They were not allowed into Heaven without Jesus and they could not be allowed after Jesus until they were made perfect and understood perfectly.
- For 2,000 years before Mary set foot on the earth, there was no “Holy Mother who loves us”. Did that affect the righteousness of Noah? Abraham? Israel? Moses? Joshua? Caleb? Gideon? David? Any of them?
The Church only knows who is naughty and nice through the Sacrament of Reconcilliation. Of course that means all Christians. The Church is Christ’s Bride, and while He is not physically here on Earth in His actual body, He gave authority to Her. She looks over us by telling us what Jesus wants and what is good and what is required for salvation (the objective of the Church is to make all of Her members saints). If you do not listen to your Mother, things will be difficult.
- A “Holy Mother Church who looks over us”…does that include Protestant heathens such as myself? Or is the church supposed to be like Santa Claus?
I tire of, “Where is that in the Bible?” We shouldn’t have to keep showing you all over and over and over again. ‘Rome has spoken, the case is closed’. – NOT St. Augustine.
- Who says anything about not being able to see past a book? The basis of faith is looking past the seen and into the unseen. And if I have to look to who’s buried in the books, it would involve those who quote written traditions of early church leaders time after time. But that’s neither here nor there.
Don’t be errant, obtuse, or antagonistically castogating. One assumes that the things that you mention count as works. As works, this lessens their time in Purgatory, perhaps the persons involved will go straight to Heaven. Either place, they will learn the truth about Mary.Don’t tell me, tell it to the underground churches and those oppressed. “Your faith is amazing; you saw your family murdered for believing and yet held fast. But it was all for naught since none of you believed in these Marian doctrines. Enjoy burning for eternity, heathen.”
What? Don’t project. Don’t derail.Scripture says that only two have ever entered the realm of the dead without physical death: Enoch and Elijah. If I refer to Elijah fleeing without being told to (unflattering, at minimum), would I need to ask to be forgiven on Elijah’s behalf?
No I have not. This is why we so badly need Mary and the Catholic Church because without them, accusations fly and misunderstandings and pride occurs. The bolded parts do not contradict each other. The devil tempted Mary into trying to sin (Her salvation was his destruction) but She was not in the least tempted to disobey God. He tried his damndest to do whatever he could to diobey God (as all sin is disobedience to the God who gave us life) but She was so repulsed by sin and had such a closeness with God, Her Lord, that there was NOTHING that the devil could do to Her or at Her to make Her want to lose that. She truly saw the devil for what it was and knew that whatever lies he said, She could only be happy with God.Of course, by capitalizing these parts you’ve also gone into the demigod territory. But the bolded parts contradict each other anyway. How can one be tempted without being tempted?
