If Peter is Pope why so much from Paul?

[mercygate]

bjcros:

Alright firstly just b/c Peter is buried in Rome doesn’t mean he taught there. It only means the Catholic Church brought him there after his death. I don’t think you can know that it really is St. Peter, but anyway I don’t know of any biblical evidence of Peter teaching in Rome. I do know of Paul teaching in Rome. Correct me if I’m wrong but it is only church tradition that says Peter was a bishop of Rome, not biblical evidence. Don’t take this the wrong way but to support the Pope’s claim to power with tradition that the Pope wrote isn’t smart. That makes it appear as a way to gain more power.

O for Pete’s sake, bj! You’re embarrassing yourself with these rash assertions and you’re trying our patience. Do your homework!

Start with The Bones of St. Peter by John Evangelist Walsh.

There are no fewer than 30 second-third- and fourth-Century references outside Scripture to the presence of Peter in Rome – more references than there are to Caesar crossing the Rubicon, but nobody questions that.

How old are you? About 15?

 

[Church_Militant]

bjcros:

Alright firstly just b/c Peter is buried in Rome doesn’t mean he taught there. It only means the Catholic Church brought him there after his death. I don’t think you can know that it really is St. Peter, but anyway I don’t know of any biblical evidence of Peter teaching in Rome. I do know of Paul teaching in Rome. Correct me if I’m wrong but it is only church tradition that says Peter was a bishop of Rome, not biblical evidence. Don’t take this the wrong way but to support the Pope’s claim to power with tradition that the Pope wrote isn’t smart. That makes it appear as a way to gain more power.

Oh Please! History records that he was taken there by the Romans and that he was crucified upside down. The bIble does not contain all history and to imply so would be sort of ludicrous…and unbiblical… John 21:25 But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written.

The pope didn’t write tradition…where did you get that bit of info? cite author and source please?

 

[jimmy]

eleusis:

My evangelical coworker tossed that one on my desk the other day. Why, if Peter was the leader, did Paul do so much writing? My best answer was as a sign for sinners. Even though we are fallen when we turn our lives over to him he can do great things with the greatest screw ups there are, and Paul was the latest example.

Any other ideas?
thanks,

Why did Augustine write so much more than Paul, if Paul was an apostle and Augustine was not?

 

[VociMike]

Why, if Jesus was God incarnate, didn’t He leave any writing? When your friend answers that you’ll be able to answer him along similar lines. In fact, asking why, given the importance of the Bible, Jesus didn’t write any scripture at all, but founded a Church instead, can produce interesting reactions from those diminish the Church and elevate the bible.

 

[tuopaolo]

eleusis:

My evangelical coworker tossed that one on my desk the other day. Why, if Peter was the leader, did Paul do so much writing? My best answer was as a sign for sinners. Even though we are fallen when we turn our lives over to him he can do great things with the greatest screw ups there are, and Paul was the latest example.

Any other ideas?
thanks,

There have been many popes in history who have written less than some of their Catholic contemporaries. So what is observed about how much Peter wrote versus Paul is not unusual.

 

[dano]

eleusis:

My evangelical coworker tossed that one on my desk the other day. Why, if Peter was the leader, did Paul do so much writing? My best answer was as a sign for sinners. Even though we are fallen when we turn our lives over to him he can do great things with the greatest screw ups there are, and Paul was the latest example.

Any other ideas?
thanks,

Eleusis,
I would begin by debunking the basis of his argument - that the “leader” should be characterised by having written the most…“Pope - publish or perish like a University professor?” A thesis without basis - Christ commanded no one to write. Paul has so many letters due to the fact that he corresponded with the churches he established - and provided a letter to clear up issues…one of the main arguments against “Sola Scriptura” …the Bible is NOT an encyclopedia (or a Catecism) - inspired writings (Scripture) only provide PART of the deposit of faith…the truths/teachings
Peter is given the keys and binding/losing (which he exercises in Acts 15)…that is the basis of his being the “leader” (Pope)
Ciao,
Dano

 

[Ignatius]

eleusis:

My evangelical coworker tossed that one on my desk the other day. Why, if Peter was the leader, did Paul do so much writing? My best answer was as a sign for sinners. Even though we are fallen when we turn our lives over to him he can do great things with the greatest screw ups there are, and Paul was the latest example.

Any other ideas?
thanks,

If George Bush is president, why do we hear so much from Condie Rice? Different jobs!