If the Church allowed contraception, I would...

[vluvski]

The entire premise of this post is rather absurd to me.

It is like saying, “What if we’ve all been duped and the atheists are right?”

I must decline to answer this poll.

 

[dsmommy]

vluvski:

The entire premise of this post is rather absurd to me.

It is like saying, “What if we’ve all been duped and the atheists are right?”

I must decline to answer this poll.

I completely agree with you.

The people who say they would jump for joy or be happy about something like this, just prove to me that a lot of catholics don’t even understand the significance of this teaching to human life. It’s as if they are just doing it out of obedience, which is a good thing, but yet I also feel it is imortant to truly understand the moral significance of this teaching, and if you do understand it, then you will see how it is completely impossible for it to ever be morally acceptable.

 

[chb03c]

This question is silly, the church would never allow contraception.

 

[GWofVA]

Hi,

A Catholic is faithful to everything the Church teaches. I, however, would never even consider contraception and wouldn’t marry a girl who did either. It is sick and twisted and a very evil practice. But, the rest of the Church’s teachings I would remain faithful to. They just make sense.

Sincerely,
GWofVA

 

[Mystophilus]

fix:

The Church is the mystical body of Christ. There is no dichotomy because Christ is Truth.

Christ is not the Church; the Church is not Christ. The Church did not die for your sins; Christ never killed anyone.

Dogma is a human artefact, and, judging by the vehement denunciations repeated throughout the Bible, it has never impressed God. Examples follow, but you can find a few more here, or a few hundred more by spending some time with the text:

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exodus 20:8-11)

“Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.” (Exodus 31:14-5)

‘Then he asked them, “If one of you has a son or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out?” And they had nothing to say.’ (Luke 14:5-6)

" ‘Why have we fasted,’ they say,
‘and you have not seen it?
Why have we humbled ourselves,
and you have not noticed?’
"Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
and exploit all your workers.

 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife, 
   and in striking each other with wicked fists. 
   You cannot fast as you do today 
   and expect your voice to be heard on high. 

 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen, 
   only a day for a man to humble himself? 
   Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed 
   and for lying on sackcloth and ashes? 
   Is that what you call a fast, 
   a day acceptable to the LORD ? 

 Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: 
   to loose the chains of injustice 
   and untie the cords of the yoke, 
   to set the oppressed free 
   and break every yoke? 

 Is it not to share your food with the hungry 
   and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter— 
   when you see the naked, to clothe him, 
   and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?" (Isaiah 58:3-7)

Mercy is more important than blind adherence to dogma.

 

[fix]

Mystophilus:

Christ is not the Church; the Church is not Christ. The Church did not die for your sins; Christ never killed anyone.

Dogma is a human artefact, and, judging by the vehement denunciations repeated throughout the Bible, it has never impressed God. Examples follow, but you can find a few more here, or a few hundred more by spending some time with the text:

“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates. For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.” (Exodus 20:8-11)

“Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from his people. For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.” (Exodus 31:14-5)

‘Then he asked them, “If one of you has a son or an ox that falls into a well on the Sabbath day, will you not immediately pull him out?” And they had nothing to say.’ (Luke 14:5-6)

" ‘Why have we fasted,’ they say,
‘and you have not seen it?
Why have we humbled ourselves,
and you have not noticed?’
"Yet on the day of your fasting, you do as you please
and exploit all your workers.

 Your fasting ends in quarreling and strife, 
   and in striking each other with wicked fists. 
   You cannot fast as you do today 
   and expect your voice to be heard on high. 

 Is this the kind of fast I have chosen, 
   only a day for a man to humble himself? 
   Is it only for bowing one's head like a reed 
   and for lying on sackcloth and ashes? 
   Is that what you call a fast, 
   a day acceptable to the LORD ? 

 Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: 
   to loose the chains of injustice 
   and untie the cords of the yoke, 
   to set the oppressed free 
   and break every yoke? 

 Is it not to share your food with the hungry 
   and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter— 
   when you see the naked, to clothe him, 
   and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?" (Isaiah 58:3-7)

Mercy is more important than blind adherence to dogma.

Dogma is revealed by Christ. If we reject dogma we are rejecting Christ.

 

[felra]

Christ is not the Church; the Church is not Christ. The Church did not die for your sins; Christ never killed anyone.

Dogma is a human artefact, and, judging by the vehement denunciations repeated throughout the Bible

, it has never impressed God.

This what we believe as Catholics:

“For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior.” Ephesians 5:23

“He is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning, the first-born from the dead, that in everything he might be pre-eminent. Col. 1:18

**796 **The unity of Christ and the Church, head and members of one Body, also implies the distinction of the two within a personal relationship. This aspect is often expressed by the image of bridegroom and bride. The theme of Christ as Bridegroom of the Church was prepared for by the prophets and announced by John the Baptist. The Lord referred to himself as the “bridegroom.” The Apostle speaks of the whole Church and of each of the faithful, members of his Body, as a bride “betrothed” to Christ the Lord so as to become but one spirit with him. The Church is the spotless bride of the spotless Lamb. “Christ loved the Church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her.” He has joined her with himself in an everlasting covenant and never stops caring for her as for his own body:

This is the whole Christ, head and body, one formed from many . . . whether the head or members speak, it is Christ who speaks. He speaks in his role as the head (ex persona capitis) and in his role as body (ex persona corporis). What does this mean? “The two will become one flesh. This is a great mystery, and I am applying it to Christ and the Church.” And the Lord himself says in the Gospel: “So they are no longer two, but one flesh.” They are, in fact, two different persons, yet they are one in the conjugal union, . . . as head, he calls himself the bridegroom, as body, he calls himself “bride.” (Catechism of the Catholic Church)

**669 **As Lord, Christ is also head of the Church, which is his Body. Taken up to heaven and glorified after he had thus fully accomplished his mission, Christ dwells on earth in his Church. The redemption is the source of the authority that Christ, by virtue of the Holy Spirit, exercises over the Church. “The kingdom of Christ [is] already present in mystery”, “on earth, the seed and the beginning of the kingdom”. (CCC)

**792 **Christ “is the head of the body, the Church.” He is the principle of creation and redemption. Raised to the Father’s glory, “in everything he [is] preeminent,” especially in the Church, through whom he extends his reign over all things. (CCC)

Mercy is more important

than blind adherence to dogma.

As Catholics in a sacramental Church, we embrace dogma as mature sons and daughters in a vibrant, dynamic and personal faith encounter and lived experience, and where dogma takes on the flesh of Christ.

**“**You are my friends if you do what I command you. No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.” John 15:14-15

 

[Crow]

I posted other, simply because I refuse to speculate on something that is impossible. The church teachings are infaillible and will not change.

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.