If the Crystal Cathedral becomes Catholic

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In all honesty, aside from the pipe organ, there would have to be a ton of things you would really need to add to make it “Catholic” looking. And then it depends on how much traditional look you want to add – such as statues, candles, communion rails, stained glass, confessionals, kneelers, etc. There will be critics of the restoration no matter what you do to it.
From a marketing perspective, its doesn’t seem like a good fit for the “Catholic” brand. In my mind the Crystal Cathedral is too much associated with Schuller - I would find it distracting.

I wonder though, would the dicocese continue the Christmas concerts? Would there be people who wouldn’t notice the new management that might show up out of habit?
 
whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church!

[sign]What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?[/sign]

[sign]look up the word averice![/sign]
 
I do think that the diocese has made an offer because the Crystal cathedral is a good bargain right now. They are trying to save money.
 
7.) Keep the stadium seating but add kneelers wherever possible.
My personal opinion is that all seats require kneelers. If you look at pictures of the space, keeping the stadium seating and adding kneelers might take some ingenuity.

I would also like to voice concern about an issue I’m sure I havn’t heard mentioned. What happens when a pretty lady, lets just say, “In a nice blouse” sits in the seat in front of me and I kneel to pray behind and above her? The pitch is steep and one could be looking right down onto another person. There might be more to the view than just the cathedral itself! :eek: Now, it’s not much different from an ordinary church with pews at the same level, but I sit up front for a reason and keep my eyes on a prayer book while everyone else is receiving. I’m sure many men would prefer not to be placed into such a situation of having to fight temptation not to look, not to mention how women would feel.

Perhapse they can hand out shawls? 😃 Or maybe have seperate mens and ladies sides? 😛
11.) (Sorry I just can’t stop!) Copy the world famous and huge Botafumeiro (incense thurible) that swings from the ceiling at the Santiago de Compostela Cathedral in Spain. Imagine the experience of that huge thurible swinging through the Crystal Cathedral!
That would be cool.

-Tim-
 
whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church!

[sign]What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?[/sign]

[sign]look up the word averice![/sign]
I completly disagree. No house is too lavish for God. I would worship there any day.

http://www.sagradafamilia.cat/sf-eng/?lang=0

What are we supposed to do, cut up the ceiling of the sistine chapel and auction off squares of it on eBay?

The Catholic Church spends more money on the sick and poor than any organization on the planet.

-Tim-
 
They couldn’t just leave it as Crystal Cathedral. What crystal? They should choose a good, Catholic name - like Holy Name, Holy Cross, Sacred Heart etc.
Greetings Neithan,

I heartily agree.

God bless.
Anathama Sit
 
whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church!
[sign]What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?[/sign]

[sign]look up the word avarice![/sign]
Read:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=8154410&postcount=70
 
In most if not all Cathedrals the tabernacle was in a separate chapel! The idea that it was the focal point as in most parish churches just does not bear out historically! The reason the tabernacle was in a separate chapel was to keep it in a quite place where people could pray quietly without being disturbed by the bustle if pilgrims or tourists. This is where the idea came from to move the tabernacle in parish churches. There is nothing wrong in a Eucharistic chapel in a busy cathedral or shrine church…I am NOT advocating this for your ordinary parish church though.
The same occurs in the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception. It’s a lot better to have the tabernacle in a side area when there is going to be a lot of foot traffic. There is a difference between a parish and a cathedral, especially a cathedral that is a tourist attraction.
 
You seem to be buying into the notion that pilgrims and tourists WILL be disturbing those in prayer. I simply don’t accept that.
Tourists certainly would be distracting. A lot of Churches, such as those in Rome, have signs asking for silence. But that rarely stops people from talking. One can’t blame the tourists (pilgrims are a different matter), because they do not necessarily understand what’s going on.
 
whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church!

[sign]What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?[/sign]

[sign]look up the word averice![/sign]
That sounds like the same thing Judas said when the woman anointed Jesus. Judas was upset that the money wasn’t given to the poor.

One can give to the poor AND build beautiful art in glory, service, and praise to G-d!
 
whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church!

[sign]What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?[/sign]

[sign]look up the word averice![/sign]
I take it you haven’t been to the Vatican??

Why shouldn’t God have an equally opulent house stateside? Especially if it can be had for cents on the dollar.

ICXC NIKA.
 
In all honesty, aside from the pipe organ, there would have to be a ton of things you would really need to add to make it “Catholic” looking. And then it depends on how much traditional look you want to add – such as statues, candles, communion rails, stained glass, confessionals, kneelers, etc. There will be critics of the restoration no matter what you do to it.
In all sincerity what does that mean? Is it even a good thing? Should it be a goal? I suspect not. In order to licitly celebrate the Mass you need an altar and ambo of some kind, a crucifix, some sort of credence and some candles. That’s it. For all pactical purpose you would also need a tabernacle and a baptismal font. Nothing more. You could keep adding stuff but it wouldn’t be needed – or possibly even wanted.

I fear that’s what might happen though. An expensive and destructive hack-n-slash program that does nothing but help to inflate a few egos…
 
From a marketing perspective, its doesn’t seem like a good fit for the “Catholic” brand. In my mind the Crystal Cathedral is too much associated with Schuller - I would find it distracting.

I wonder though, would the dicocese continue the Christmas concerts? Would there be people who wouldn’t notice the new management that might show up out of habit?
“Marketing?” I think the fact that the Crystal Cathedral failed as a Protestant effort and became Catholic would be a HUGE selling point. The Christmas Plays have long since ceased. I doubt the Diocese has the expertise to re-start them and make them a great success once more.
 
The whole thing a bad idea gives wrong impression of Catholic Religion, Jesus preached out in a field or on a mount. Catholic Churches should be simple
Like St. Peter’s Basilica?
and dont even build a new one, just buy old unused other religion church and fix it up a bit , take money and HELP PEOPLE IN NEED, WHY SPEND ALL THAT MONEY !!! take the gold and help people in need and how much money could we have saved if they would have weeded out abusers 50 years ago, it could have been done and you know it !!! I would be ashamed as a Catholic to attend that lavish Church, would rather go to a humble looking Church

What would Jesus say about a Church like that ?

look up the word “averice”
:rolleyes:
 
In all sincerity what does that mean? Is it even a good thing? Should it be a goal? I suspect not. In order to licitly celebrate the Mass you need an altar and ambo of some kind, a crucifix, some sort of credence and some candles. That’s it. For all pactical purpose you would also need a tabernacle and a baptismal font. Nothing more. You could keep adding stuff but it wouldn’t be needed – or possibly even wanted.

I fear that’s what might happen though. An expensive and destructive hack-n-slash program that does nothing but help to inflate a few egos…
Why are you so perpetually negative?

If you’re in love this Protestant worship space as it is, fine. But your manner of words is condescending, albeit eloquently condescending. You speak as if from some high place where no one but you can go, while subtly portraying your opinions as the opinions of many.

The poster you quote was making a very valid statement. If you disagree, that’s okay. But I’m just letting you know that your manner of speaking makes you disagreeable, regardless of the content of your post.
 
I’d suggest not intentionally disturbing, but if you are praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament do you want a group of thirty people walking by you and hearing one remark “Did you know Mary Magdalene was married to Jesus?” or perhaps some sort of other nonsense.

ChadS
The groups would be silent or they would cease altogether before I moved the tabernacle if it was my call.
 
You said:
In most if not all Cathedrals the tabernacle was in a separate chapel! The idea that it was the focal point as in most parish churches just does not bear out historically! The reason the tabernacle was in a separate chapel was to keep it in a quite place where people could pray quietly without being disturbed by the bustle if pilgrims or tourists. This is where the idea came from to move the tabernacle in parish churches. There is nothing wrong in a Eucharistic chapel in a busy cathedral or shrine church…I am NOT advocating this for your ordinary parish church though.
Now you return with:
Can you point me to just 1 cathedral in Europe at least 200 years old where this is NOT true?
C’mon. Stop changing your story! :rolleyes:
 
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