If the Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic Church reunited

[malphono]

Origen of Alexandria is not commemorated by the Coptic Oriental Orthodox Church of Alexandria, therefore, I highly doubt that the other Oriental Orthodox Churches consider him a saint.

FWIW and AFAIK, that’s correct.

 

[Wryman]

Years ago I talked with a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic priest, who said that the saints would be a major problem for him in reunification because there are some Orthodox saints – e.g. Alexis Toth – who are recognized as saints largely because they persuaded many Eastern Catholics to leave the Catholic church and become Orthodox (or, if you’re looking at it the other way, I suppose one would say ‘had them come home to Orthodoxy.’ I have no desire to enter into polemics here). So there’s that. I guess one could come up with a formula whereby sincerity would matter regardless of who was ‘right,’ but under that standard couldn’t Martin Luther be a saint?

 

[Zekariya]

So there’s that. I guess one could come up with a formula whereby sincerity would matter regardless of who was ‘right,’ but under that standard couldn’t Martin Luther be a saint?

Or one could say that the different Sees are able to add local Saints to their diptychs.

 

[theistgal]

Years ago I talked with a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic priest, who said that the saints would be a major problem for him in reunification because there are some Orthodox saints – e.g. Alexis Toth – who are recognized as saints largely because they persuaded many Eastern Catholics to leave the Catholic church and become Orthodox (or, if you’re looking at it the other way, I suppose one would say ‘had them come home to Orthodoxy.’ I have no desire to enter into polemics here).

Maybe we could work out a deal where we’ll let them keep their Alexis Toth’s if they let us keep our Theodore Romzha’s.

 

[Anthony86]

Years ago I talked with a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic priest, who said that the saints would be a major problem for him in reunification because there are some Orthodox saints – e.g. Alexis Toth – who are recognized as saints largely because they persuaded many Eastern Catholics to leave the Catholic church and become Orthodox (or, if you’re looking at it the other way, I suppose one would say ‘had them come home to Orthodoxy.’ I have no desire to enter into polemics here). So there’s that. I guess one could come up with a formula whereby sincerity would matter regardless of who was ‘right,’ but under that standard couldn’t Martin Luther be a saint?

One is declared a Saint when the Church has attained sufficient certainty of the person having attained to Heaven. It is not required the Saint be completely without sin or error. Even those Saints officially declared Doctors of the Church are known to have erred, sometimes even on dogmatic issues; St. Thomas Aquinas, for example, held a different understanding of Mary’s conception than was later dogmatized as the Immaculate Conception. If one can be a Saint (and even a Doctor) without having had a proper understanding of this dogma, can one be a Saint without having had a proper understanding of the papacy? I’m inclined to think so.

 

[Zekariya]

One is declared a Saint when the Church has attained sufficient certainty of the person having attained to Heaven. It is not required the Saint be completely without sin or error. Even those Saints officially declared Doctors of the Church are known to have erred, sometimes even on dogmatic issues; St. Thomas Aquinas, for example, held a different understanding of Mary’s conception than was later dogmatized as the Immaculate Conception. If one can be a Saint (and even a Doctor) without having had a proper understanding of this dogma, can one be a Saint without having had a proper understanding of the papacy? I’m inclined to think so.

Just want to add… St John Chrysostom, Doctor of the Church, thought it possible that the Virgin Mary might have committed minor sins.