If the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church were united how would you feel about it?

[Mannyfit75]

If the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church how would you feel about it?

Scenario: Suppose the Patriarchs of all Eastern Orthodox, the Bishops in the Catholic Church, and the Pope form a Synod and come into agreement and resolve theological differences, how would you feel about it?

Explain.

 

[East_and_West]

I would be concerned that we would have to comprmise on the truth in order to accomplish this. The universal jurisdiction and infallibility of the Pope, as well as the IC, and the filioque, could find themselves thrown to the side. Very problematic. I don’t think communion between the Churches can be established until the EOs accept these truths.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I would be concerned that we would have to comprmise on the truth in order to accomplish this. The universal jurisdiction and infallibility of the Pope, as well as the IC, and the filioque, could find themselves thrown to the side. Very problematic. I don’t think communion between the Churches can be established until the EOs accept these truths.

The first step is already is been made which is address on this thread: forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=198741

The article states:

“While the fact of primacy at the universal level is accepted by both East and West, there are differences of understanding with regard to the manner in which it is to be exercised, and also with regard to its scriptural and theological foundations,” the document continued.

It said the role of the bishop of Rome - the Pope - in communion with other churches must be studied in greater depth.

The Oct. 8-15 meeting in Ravenna was the second since the Catholic-Orthodox theological dialogue resumed in 2006 after breaking off for six years

 

[RedSoxFan]

I would be estactic. This is assuming that The Catholic Church doesn’t sell out, which it never would. The only downside would be that the Nostradamus freaks would be running around yelling about the end times waiting for the rapture.
“The East and West are United!!! The End is Near!!!”

On second thought, I would get a good chuckle out of them running around.

 

[Contarini]

If the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church how would you feel about it?

Scenario: Suppose the Patriarchs of all Eastern Orthodox, the Bishops in the Catholic Church, and the Pope form a Synod and come into agreement and resolve theological differences, how would you feel about it?

Explain.

I would be delighted, and I would feel morally obligated to join the new, united Church.

Edwin

 

[Mannyfit75]

I would be estactic. This is assuming that The Catholic Church doesn’t sell out, which it never would. The only downside would be that the Nostradamus freaks would be running around yelling about the end times waiting for the rapture.
“The East and West are United!!! The End is Near!!!”

On second thought, I would get a good chuckle out of them running around.

I don’t think the CC would sell out. I do think the Catholic Church will honor the beliefs, and tradition of the East. The Latins will keep ours.

I do think if unity does happen, there will be of course dissenters from both sides. The Traditionalist Catholics will go ballistic, and the Traditionalist Orthodox will probably do the same thing. It would be no different from Second Vatican Council where the SPPX went ape hole, and became schismatic.

 

[Rightlydivide]

I would not care either way.

 

[Mannyfit75]

I would not care either way.

So you don’t care that part of Jesus’ prayer** for Christian unity **is fullfilled?

Let me quote it for you.

John Chapter 17 verse 9-11:

**I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for the ones you have given me, because they are yours, and everything of mine is yours and everything of yours is mine, and I have been glorified in them. And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are. **

 

[Prayerjohn]

If the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church were to unite that would be awesome. It would be move movement of the Holy Spirt.

John

 

[Rightlydivide]

So you don’t care that part of Jesus’ prayer** for Christian unity **is fullfilled?

Let me quote it for you.

John Chapter 17 verse 9-11:

I pray for them. I do not pray for the world but for the ones you have given me, because they are yours, and everything of mine is yours and everything of yours is mine, and I have been glorified in them. And now I will no longer be in the world, but they are in the world, while I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name that you have given me, so that they may be one just as we are.

Would you care if the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists and the Living Church of God combined? No. You would think there are two people in error who now agree…but are still in error.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Would you care if the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists and the Living Church of God combined? No. You would think there are two people in error who now agree…but are still in error.

Well, those churches would have to cease to exist, because their doctrines are contrary to the Truth. They either have to convert to more orthodox Christian beliefs than those un-orthodox beliefs. I do. I think the unity starts with the original Apostolic Churches founded in Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

I like to add that before any unity has to take place. Dialogue needs to be discuss on theological issues. The truth of course cannot be compromised. I think it is possible for East and West to become one.

As for the whole Church Catholic and Orthodox to be united with Protestantism, I think that is doubtful. Their doctrines differ than ours completely.

 

[Contarini]

Would you care if the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists and the Living Church of God combined? No. You would think there are two people in error who now agree…but are still in error.

Yes, but Protestantism does not rest on a rejection of the authority of the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists, pointing to the Living Church of God as evidence that such rejection was legitimate.

Any validity that Protestantism has comes solely from the gap created by the division between East and West. Take away that division, and you strip Protestantism of any valid reason for existence.

Edwin

 

[Rightlydivide]

Well, those churches would have to cease to exist, because their doctrines are contrary to the Truth. They either have to convert to more orthodox Christian beliefs than those un-orthodox beliefs. I do. I think the unity starts with the original Apostolic Churches founded in Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism.

It would just be a larger organization that is still in error from my perspective.
To the extent that everyone starts to follow the Bible, yes I would be happy…sure. To the extent that two churches in error agree, but are still in error, I do not care.

 

[Rightlydivide]

Yes, but Protestantism does not rest on a rejection of the authority of the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists, pointing to the Living Church of God as evidence that such rejection was legitimate.

Any validity that Protestantism has comes solely from the gap created by the division between East and West. Take away that division, and you strip Protestantism of any valid reason for existence.

Edwin

Absolutely not. If I thought that my faith was based upon the actions of individuals living from 1400 to 1700 you bet.
I believe my faith is based upon the teachings of God who spoke through men who lived in the first century.

 

[Contarini]

Absolutely not. If I thought that my faith was based upon the actions of individuals living from 1400 to 1700 you bet.
I believe my faith is based upon the teachings of God who spoke through men who lived in the first century.

But of course these men (and perhaps women?) were not Protestants.

If you like having a faith that’s completely unhinged from history, that’s your problem. But since I’m not a relativist I hope you will excuse me for saying that I think you have a very big problem indeed

Edwin

 

[Rightlydivide]

But of course these men (and perhaps women?) were not Protestants.

If you like having a faith that’s completely unhinged from history, that’s your problem. But since I’m not a relativist I hope you will excuse me for saying that I think you have a very big problem indeed

Edwin

I do not think my faith is unhinged from history. I think it is an attempt to return to its historical roots.
I cannot believe an Episcopalian is calling ME a relativist!
I believe what the Bible teaches and to the extent that I can and do learn from the insights of men who believe it, I think that is a good thing. Am I responsible for continuing the actions of men 500 years ago. No. Why would I be?

 

[Mannyfit75]

It would just be a larger organization that is still in error from my perspective.
To the extent that everyone starts to follow the Bible, yes I would be happy…sure. To the extent that two churches in error agree, but are still in error, I do not care.

That a very relativist point of view. The truth of the matter is this though. Both the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church believed the Bible to be sacred. They also acknowledges both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are the Word of God. Not two separate entities. NT came out of the Sacred Tradition.

Neither Churches are in error in my POV, rather I found them to have misunderstanding on certain key theological issues and eccestogical concerns.

Protestantism itself is relativist issue because it relies on private interpretation of Sacred Scripture.

 

[Rightlydivide]

That a very relativist point of view. The truth of the matter is this though. Both the Eastern Orthodox and the Catholic Church believed the Bible to be sacred. They also acknowledges both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are the Word of God. Not two separate entities. NT came out of the Sacred Tradition.

Neither Churches are in error in my POV, rather I found them to have misunderstanding on certain key theological issues and eccestogical concerns.

Protestantism itself is relativist issue because it relies on private interpretation of Sacred Scripture.

The Catholic Church is relying on a faulty private interpretation of scripture as interpreted by your bishops and popes.
What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[Mannyfit75]

The Catholic Church is relying on a faulty private interpretation of scripture as interpreted by your bishops and popes.
What is so hard to understand about that?

The Magisterium also declared the 27 NT inspired in the Church Councils. It isn’t faulty. It was also this same Church that defined the Trinity based on Scripture. If she is right on these theological doctrines, she’s very correct in her teaching office on all moral and faith issues.

This does derail the thread so I won’t discuss this issue anymore.

 

[Rightlydivide]

The Magisterium also declared the 27 NT inspired in the Church Councils. It isn’t faulty. It was also this same Church that defined the Trinity based on Scripture. If she is right on these theological doctrines, she’s very correct in her teaching office on all moral and faith issues.

This does derail the thread so I won’t discuss this issue anymore.

I do not believe any councils declaration had anything to do with it. God’s will be done. Any council was rubber stamping the work already accomplished by God himself.
Just giving my answer and I will also not discuss this anymore.