If the Illuminati isn't real...

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Thank you for confirming my suspicion about you. You totally ignored a direct question I posed to you in the last few days that had me wondering because you are normally so diligent . Can’t remember if it was in this thread or another. Sounds like you are an expert on what ‘trolls’ do.
:rotfl:

You acknowledge my status as a veteran member yet at the same time imply I’m a troll. (Those two things don’t go hand in hand here.)

Said implication is based on an obscure question you can’t even remember.

Thanks for the laugh.
 
Perhaps it is me who is naïve , I prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt and think the best of them. Personally I believe my Lord would prefer that then calling people trolls and being hateful.
Says the person who just accused of being one.
 
You’ve just bolded the explanation yourself. You claim to not be a troll but repeating a question to which someone has already answered is a clear-cut troll tactic.

Another troll tactic is completely ignoring a question that’s been posed to you (something which you have already done at least twice this whole thread).

Frankly, I can only take pity on the people who take pity on you. :rolleyes:
I apologize for not answering your question. Yes, I have heard of artistic expression. But the reason I repeated your question is because (no offense) you didn’t give a good explanation for my question. I asked you the meaning of Katy Perry’s song “rock god”, and you said it was just a metaphor for artistic expression. I am not trolling.
 
I apologize for not answering your question. Yes, I have heard of artistic expression. But the reason I repeated your question is because (no offense) you didn’t give a good explanation for my question. I asked you the meaning of Katy Perry’s song “rock god”, and you said it was just a metaphor for artistic expression. I am not trolling.
Why should any of this concern me even if it is true ?
 
If you look at the statistical reality that the most talented top tenth of 1% of the 300 milion US population can sing and dance just as well as any of them, that makes 300,000 people who are just as talented but not the chosen ones. The reality is that 300,000 people can’t all be famous. It would dilute the brand too much. “If we were all rock stars, no one would be rock stars.” So, they whore themselves to be the chosen few to get more gigs. Just look at Miley… What’s stranger to me is the number of listeners who Follow the unelected media culture without opening their minds to realize that what the unelected media sells is optional, while claiming to be open minded, while Judging anyone who disagrees to be the closed minded and “not correct” ones. Sheesh! Hypocrisy much?
 
I apologize for not answering your question. Yes, I have heard of artistic expression. But the reason I repeated your question is because (no offense) you didn’t give a good explanation for my question. I asked you the meaning of Katy Perry’s song “rock god”, and you said it was just a metaphor for artistic expression. I am not trolling.
No, that is not what I said. I can only hope you’re not misconstruing my statement (because that’s a troll tactic too).

Do you take every song you hear literally? I hope not because that’s really my point. I’d say angels are weeping for me too if that’s one way I’d artistically express my disdain/disillusionment with the Christian-conservative worldview.
If you look at the statistical reality that the most talented top tenth of 1% of the 300 milion US population can sing and dance just as well as any of them, that makes 300,000 people who are just as talented but not the chosen ones. The reality is that 300,000 people can’t all be famous. It would dilute the brand too much. “If we were all rock stars, no one would be rock stars.” So, they whore themselves to be the chosen few to get more gigs. Just look at Miley… What’s stranger to me is the number of listeners who Follow the unelected media culture without opening their minds to realize that what the unelected media sells is optional, while claiming to be open minded, while Judging anyone who disagrees to be the closed minded and “not correct” ones. Sheesh! Hypocrisy much?
It’s funny how you mention this because it’s also a big problem on the end of those selling. (And yes, that even includes sellers of the mainstream stuff!) If I were Miley’s personal marketer and some guy came to me suggesting we start aiming for the hipster demographic, I’d kick that moron outta my office!

Contrary to popular belief, not everyone who wants to make a sell gets a kick out of pitching those who just aren’t into the tune. That’s your right as a consumer and I for one am professionally called to respect it. Hence, that’s why businesses practice targeted marketing (or at least should for crying out loud). If I get tired of trying to convince people who are just too choosy with their music/products/services, I don’t blame them for their preferences. Rather, I’d wonder what got them standing in front of me in the first place.

Long story short, if you feel like your audience is fickle, you might as well be fickle when picking your audience.
 
If you look at the statistical reality that the most talented top tenth of 1% of the 300 milion US population can sing and dance just as well as any of them, that makes 300,000 people who are just as talented but not the chosen ones. The reality is that 300,000 people can’t all be famous. It would dilute the brand too much. “If we were all rock stars, no one would be rock stars.” So, they whore themselves to be the chosen few to get more gigs. Just look at Miley… What’s stranger to me is the number of listeners who Follow the unelected media culture without opening their minds to realize that what the unelected media sells is optional, while claiming to be open minded, while Judging anyone who disagrees to be the closed minded and “not correct” ones. Sheesh! Hypocrisy much?
No. Not hypocrisy at all. And it has nothing to do with ‘diluting the brand,’ or that other offensive thing. It is a business. Like any other business, they need product.

There is a unique combination for success of which talent is only a minute part. Other essential parts include drive, work ethic, and even luck.

Some people simply do not want fame. But class envy is blinding.
 
No. Not hypocrisy at all. And it has nothing to do with ‘diluting the brand,’ or that other offensive thing. It is a business. Like any other business, they need product.

There is a unique combination for success of which talent is only a minute part. Other essential parts include drive, work ethic, and even luck.

Some people simply do not want fame. But class envy is blinding.
I don’t understand your post. If the top 100 songs of 2013 were sung by 100 different artists, there would be too much dilution regarding concerts and magazines. Sex and drugs sell more than Leave It To Beaver. But no one is forcing them to sell. They could have jobs in other fields instead, including the sellers. As they said in The Hunger Games, “If everyone would stop watching, they would be powerless.” I need to believe that those calling the shots are atheists who don’t care about the welfare of others. Why else would one Profit from immorality and the destruction of others? Since they own the media, I guess they can always promote more charity themes and the raising of taxes on innocent taxpayers as coerced help, as they laugh all the way to the bank…
 
No. Not hypocrisy at all. And it has nothing to do with ‘diluting the brand,’ or that other offensive thing. It is a business. Like any other business, they need product.

There is a unique combination for success of which talent is only a minute part. Other essential parts include drive, work ethic, and even luck.

Some people simply do not want fame. But class envy is blinding.
I don’t understand your post. If the top 100 songs of 2013 were sung by 100 different artists, there would be too much dilution regarding concerts and magazines. Sex and drugs sell more than Leave It To Beaver. But no one is forcing them to sell. They could have jobs in other fields instead, including the sellers. As they said in The Hunger Games, “If everyone would stop watching, they would be powerless.” I need to believe that those calling the shots are atheists who don’t care about the welfare of others. Why else would one Profit from immorality and the destruction of others? Since they own the media, I guess they can always promote more charity memes and the raising of taxes on innocent taxpayers as coerced help, as they laugh all the way to the bank…
 
So trolls are only new members?
Basic logic will tell you they don’t even last on a forum long enough to be anything but.

Though while we’re on the subject of hypcrisy, whatever happened to ‘trying to think the best of someone?’ Your accusatory comments hardly practice what you preach. So far the only true thing you’ve stated on this thread is your naivety. :rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
I don’t understand your post. If the top 100 songs of 2013 were sung by 100 different artists, there would be too much dilution regarding concerts and magazines. Sex and drugs sell more than Leave It To Beaver. But no one is forcing them to sell. They could have jobs in other fields instead, including the sellers. As they said in The Hunger Games, “If everyone would stop watching, they would be powerless.” I need to believe that those calling the shots are atheists who don’t care about the welfare of others. Why else would one Profit from immorality and the destruction of others? Since they own the media, I guess they can always promote more charity themes and the raising of taxes on innocent taxpayers as coerced help, as they laugh all the way to the bank…
Class envy. Money envy. At least, so it seems.

You are not a mind-reader, and neither am I, as to the state of someone’s ‘soul.’ I thought presumption of that sort was supposed to be a sin.

I have heard of The Hunger Games but never read it.
 
Basic logic will tell you they don’t even last on a forum long enough to be anything but.

Though while we’re on the subject of hypcrisy, whatever happened to ‘trying to think the best of someone?’ Your accusatory comments hardly practice what you preach. So far the only true thing you’ve stated on this thread is your naivety. :rolleyes::rolleyes:/QUOTE
I have watched several of your 'discussions ’ with people and you explanation of the straw man seemed to me to fit what I had observed you do with other people. Go ahead I will give you the last word because I know it is important to you.🤷
 
I have watched several of your 'discussions ’ with people and you explanation of the straw man seemed to me to fit what I had observed you do with other people. Go ahead I will give you the last word because I know it is important to you.🤷
For a gift of the ‘last word’ you seem to do a terrible job of it grammar wise. 🤷

Straw man? You have accused members more experienced than you of bad conduct. And yet, you claim that you like to see what’s best in others.

What part of this is made of straw only you can point out. But since you so shoddily put this reply together, I shall respect your desire to turn tail. 👍
 
For a gift of the ‘last word’ you seem to do a terrible job of it grammar wise. 🤷

Straw man? You have accused members more experienced than you of bad conduct. And yet, you claim that you like to see what’s best in others.

What part of this is made of straw only you can point out. But since you so shoddily put this reply together, I shall respect your desire to turn tail. 👍
what’s a strawman?
 
what’s a strawman?
It’s essentially a false idea put in place of a real one purely for the sake of arguing against it.

Here’s an example:

Some Catholics, Christians, and fringe conservatives have a strawman of popular music and culture. They think it’s all the creation of one, singular entity: the Illuminati. It’s a product of Satan they say.

All the while they ignore that pop culture actually covers far too many genres, mediums, countries, sub-cultures, demographics, and most likely other things I myself would fail to mention.

All of this a product of the Illuminati? And here I thought Catholics were told not to give evil too much credit. 🤷 (Sorry Melkite, I just don’t buy the idea that “Born this Way” or Lady Gaga stand for all the music people my age listen to. ;))
 
It’s essentially a false idea put in place of a real one purely for the sake of arguing against it.

Here’s an example:

Some Catholics, Christians, and fringe conservatives have a strawman of popular music and culture. They think it’s all the creation of one, singular entity: the Illuminati. It’s a product of Satan they say.

All the while they ignore that pop culture actually covers far too many genres, mediums, countries, sub-cultures, demographics, and most likely other things I myself would fail to mention.

All of this a product of the Illuminati? And here I thought Catholics were told not to give evil too much credit. 🤷 (Sorry Melkite, I just don’t buy the idea that “Born this Way” or Lady Gaga stand for all the music people my age listen to. ;))
OH, the illuminati and satan are responsible for MUCH more than just this!!!
 
What does Satan need with an Illuminati when he’s got the popular media on his side?

If you’re old enough…or even willing enough to do some research, it becomes clear that just looking at song titles since the 1950s tells you all you need to know.

Harbor Lights, Mr. Blue, Isle of Capri, and the like balanced against Promiscuous, Do Me Baby and worse… 🤷
 
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