I see no difference the Holy Spirit can effect, from an SSPX point of view. The Holy Spirit hasn’t even picked us a pope they find worth obeying the last couple of times.I guess it would be helpful to see some Church document that spells out what is necessary for an ecumenical council to be free from error (besides that it is called by the pope and involves all the bishops). I was unaware that there was an obligatory opening prayer.
From what I have been reading on the several SSPX related threads in the last few days…there seems to be some wishful thinking that the SSPX folks will be “sent forth to clean up our Churches/Parishes”.
What sources are you using? Did you go to www.sspx.org?
The problem isn’t if the Society will submit to Rome, but if Rome will submit to Tradition (to the way the Church was).
Wow -what an attitude. I hope this is not the attitude of the SSPX as a whole as if it is there will be no reconciliation.
The Church is guided by Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture. Both Tradition and Scripture empower the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, to be the visible head of the Church here on Earth, the Vicar of Christ. By not submitting to the Bishop of Rome, the SSPX is rejecting Tradition, not Rome. The problem definitely is whether or not the SSPX will submit to Rome! The priests of the SSPX are without faculties, and the leadership of the SSPX attempts to claim for itself an authority that it has no right to according to Tradition or Scripture. Only the Pope, and the Bishops united with the Pope, can speak infallibly on matters of faith and morals. The SSPX does not have this power as they are not united with the Pope, in fact the Archbishop and the four bishops he ordained were excommunicated by the Pope. We can go in circles over whether or not the SSPX has a right to the claims that it makes, but the fact of the matter is that they placed themselves at odds with the authority of the Church, the valid authority that Christ established. No good can possibly come from that.
As defined by Fellay, of course. So Fellay will agree to rejoin the Chuch if what, the Pope kisses his…er… ring?
And in this post, lies a perfect example of the entire problem.
This exemplifies the entire problem. Pride on the part of SSPX. “We are right and you are wrong! You must do things the way WE think is right.”
That is the whole problem.
So if the SSPX accpepts the proposal are you going to quit it and form your own Church?
I don’t belong to the SSPX but go to the TLM in my diocese. I intend to kee the Catholic faith and be part of the remnant that must live through the times ahead.
Again, you’re passing off your own speculations as fact. What is fact, however, is that Russia has already been consecrated to the Immaculate Heart by Pope John Paul II in the 1980’s. To say that there is a part of the Third Secret that has not been revealed yet is propaganda, and it is a belief that tries to discredit the Vatican. But referring to yourself as part of the remnant seems to at least imply the type of egotism that you are bringing to these discussions.
Where is Biblical exegesis condemned? Where is any of what you say is wrong condemned?
The problems in the world and Church are the result of the Pope not consecrating Russia.
If what you are saying is true, then that would make Arianism look like a children’s playground scuffle.
From what scripture or Church teaching did you extrapolate these figures?
Again, you are only passing off a speculation as to whether or not it occurred. As for your statement about the percentage of the world that is on its way to hell, this is an outrageous statement. Not one of us can know the hearts of others. Sure, we can judge actions and we are to follow the Church and receive the Sacraments, but not one of us has the right to make a generalized statement as to what percentage of the population is going to heaven or hell.
Modern Biblical exegesis is condemned and comes from Hell. Those who say that Genesis is a myth, that the Bible contains stories, myths, and legends.