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friardchips
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That is a whole new thread.
I’ll sign up!
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I’ll sign up!
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friardchips
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Shovel the obvious stuff out the way then scrutinize the rest later.
Did the film industry not survive before internet porn?!
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Darryl_Revok
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If it’s the exploitation that’s a problem, then why not CGI porn? Within ten, fifteen years, you could have virtual actors engaging in virtual sex that would be pretty much indistinguishable from the real thing.
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friardchips
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I wonder whether this might increase the amount of people watching because users would try and soothe their consciences by thinking to themselves when tempted: "At least these actors/actresses aren’t real".
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Darryl_Revok
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A lot of your ideas are based less on the actual, and more on a magical ability to read the minds of random people.
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friardchips
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I think this is fairly logical deduction, to be honest. If CGi is made and promoted as the way forward for people to look at porn without guilt (for whatever reason) then isn’t this a logical outcome? Like a get-out clause in a contract on principles?
Maybe you’re right.
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pnewton
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Unless you are a president from Arkansas.
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frangiuliano115
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Yeah. I thought of Bill too.Unless you are a president from Arkansas.
It was all rather funny in a sad way back then.
To have a president that wasn’t at all sure what a sexual act is. And he had his finger on the button!
Do you remember that there was actual discussion of what constituted a S.A.?
I needed a laugh after all this serious stuff!
Fran
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mikekle
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Well, they may be right, I dont think viewing something like that would be a sin, as its not real people involved, in reality its just a bunch of pixels arranged to resemble 2 people.
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francisca
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francisca
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Let’s handle the majority of porn first before we go to hollywood movies.
Majority of porn scene are depicting acts that can’t be done in real world without being obscene and/ or indecent. So let’s go back to real life measure:
Let’s say a porn has no plot, no context, it’s just crude sex scene. So, in this case, is there any difficulty to define that such is defined as obscenity to public exposure in which case quite exactly the same as having sex in public places in real life? If we can use this measure, then most of crude porn without plots will be gone, I hope.
And then we go to the contextual movie in which it has some story plot worthy of “artistic value”
Let’s say the plot is rob roy (I didn’t watch the movie), so let’s compare the rape scene with real life scenario. Let’s say a girl running around naked in public places but she has reason for her action: she was chased by a bad guy who is trying to rape her. Now, this plot, if it is made only to accentuate the detailed rape scene later, then such is a violent porn. First of all, rape is not entertaintment. Second, the plot is not worthy of art value. Now if the plot is a part of a good story worthy of artistic value, then lets continue the story… and by the real-life measure, if we see a girl running naked chased by a bad guy/ or a girl being raped, we shouldn’t think about obscenity/indecency, rather we think of how to help the girl. Again, real life measure must be used to decide if such action is obscenity or a story about humanity worthy of praise
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edwest2
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It would still be sinful because it could arouse someone, along with depicting an immoral act.
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frangiuliano115
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Hi Mikekle,
I’ve asked you before what “raised catholic” means with no answer from you. Which is okay. So let me tell you about me:
I was raised catholic too. It didn’t mean anything till I was about 28 yrs old. God spoke to me back then (not an audible voice - I’m not crazy or a saint!) and what He told me seemed to work well. So I got to know God in the person of Jesus.
I’m hoping you’re somewhere along that road.
Please read:
Mathew 5:27
It would be interesting to know what you make of it. It has to do with your post above, of course.
God bless you
Fran
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iohannes13
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Can you imagine what a race of aliens would think of people being aroused by a piece of paper or a box ( tv or monitor)? They would high tail it out of here. “What’s wrong with these people? What? And they have atomic bombs? Let’s get out of here,”
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francisca
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It doesn’t have to be exploitation as the reason to move to CGI porn one day. Even now we have japanese anime (cartoon) porn. My son watched them a few years ago. I was so horrified to find out what he did. There is also element of porn in some computer games I read about it somewhere. I have never seen it though.
Even if we move to CGI porn/ cartoon/ other media, these are still media, I suppose, then, the law will still uphold so long we can prove that it is an obscenity, right?
I actually think that violent computer games should be banned too, the ones with gruesome bloody shooting people. But then how about violent movies? I guess our real life “wars” also shows the fact that it is gruesome. But then again, to show gruesome killings to general public, and moreover to create “game” out of it, is immoral. Even in our television, when there is some graphic scene there will be warning. I suppose such law should be expanded into banning violent gruesome games and also porn in games should be banned with the standard of our real life measure of what can be shown to public and what is too violent and/ or obscene.
Whatever is too violent/ obscene to show in public places in real life, it should be banned in the media too, because media is public exposure. I actually agree that to define obscenity is not that difficult. It is so obvious, how can it be so difficult?
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Crown_of_Stars
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Porn is a shameful sickness, plain and simple. I’m all for having all of it removed. But, unfortunately, in our pro-perversion pro-everything-to-do-with-sex society, this is not in the cards.
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francisca
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I think there is a cover that get many can’t see the obvious. We as a church has to speak up.
I was reading this thread today
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=981324
The op’s friend who is a Jehovah Witness says that the catholic church didn’t speak against war enough in the past. This is not the topic I want to bring up in this thread.
I’m copying this argument here:
let’s say we’re in the future, and all porn ugliness has been discovered: even the most secular atheists can see the harm of porn and all has been proven scientifically. Then, these people will turn to the church (as always) and say: “The Catholic Church didn’t speak enough against porn” !
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francisca
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It’s true that many are “pro”, but I think many also “against”. The latter is less vocal. I think nowadays porn supporters are young people who are naive and just newly discover their sexuality and do not know the world yet.
Those who are mature, and has discovered how they got addicted to porn and can’t stop eventhough they want to-- now this group, some of them-- they want out, but they’re conflicted within themselves. This group is our witnesses. We need people to speak against porn.
As a mother, I only know that as parents we can’t serve our sons and daughters on a platter, their innocence robbed, and their being naive is used to mislead them regarding human sexuality.
Those who are mature, and has discovered how they got addicted to porn and can’t stop eventhough they want to-- now this group, some of them-- they want out, but they’re conflicted within themselves. This group is our witnesses. We need people to speak against porn.
As a mother, I only know that as parents we can’t serve our sons and daughters on a platter, their innocence robbed, and their being naive is used to mislead them regarding human sexuality.
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Sarcelle
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Would you know of any countries that have made porn illegal?
Singapore comes to mind but I am not sure.
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