If/when Islam becomes the dominant religion of the West

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ahimsaman72, imagine if someone was born in a Muslim family and therefore considered a Muslim. when he grew up, he believed Buddhism was true and became a Buddhist. he even became a buddhist monk! he minded his own business and lived a quiet peaceful life. according to Islam, this person is to be killed!

Is it not wrong to kill this person for the sole reason of leaving Islam?!
 
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ahimsaman72:
My Buddhist vows are the following:
  1. No killing
  2. No stealing
  3. No sexual misconduct
  4. No falsh or harsh speech
  5. No drinking intoxicants
So, I’m not much of a threat to the Islamic way of life. I would not defame the Prophet Muhammed, Allah or any others. Although I practice my rites at home, I would like the opportunity to go to my religious temples. These temples have statues of the Buddha. And, I might have a statue of the Buddha at my home altar.

Does your religion/state permit such? I ask again because I have seen Buddha statues destroyed in Afghanistan.

Thank you for your answers.

Peace…
Yes you are free to practice your own social and religious rites at home and in church without interference from the state
 
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Flopfoot:
Catholics were always great at producing offspring, why don’t we get back into form and make a stand? I’m up for it! Just find me a nice Catholic girl with a fertile womb who’s up for a lifetime commitment and I’ll be on to it (-:
Hey that’s a better Idea than the “BOMB” ! My family is helping out. I have five siblings and we have 25 kids between us! My sisters husband has an even bigger family and they have over 40 nephews & nieces. Open your life to life and let God sort it out!

Peace!

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here is one fatwa regarding dealing with non-Muslims in islamic state:
islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503545930

First of all, we’d like to state that non-Muslims under Islamic Shari`ah do possess special rights irrespective of whether they constitute a minority or a majority. Islam makes it clear that Muslims are not allowed under any circumstances to burn holy places or books of non-Muslims or to abuse them.

When Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, established the first Islamic state in Madinah, he extended to religious minorities rights that are guaranteed to them in the Qur’an. The first Islamic State was established in light the Charter of Madinah, a real and actual social contract agreed upon by Muslims, Jews and others, stipulating that they all would be treated as equal citizens of Madinah, giving the non-Muslims right of choosing a legal system they wished their affairs be governed by, be it Islamic or Jewish law or pre-Islamic Arab tribal traditions. This confirms the principle “no compulsion in religion”, freedom of expression and religious practice was open to everyone.

Elaborating on the religious rights granted to non-Muslim minorities, we’d like to cite for you the following:

"It was in 622 AC, that Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, introduced the Charter of Madinah, which in fact was the first ever written constitution in the history of mankind. It gave the people the right of protection, security, peace and justice; not only to Muslims, but also to the Jews who lived in the City of Madinah, as well as the allies of Jews who were non-Muslims. It recognized Jews as a separate political and ethnic minority, and allowed them to practice their religion quite freely. In fact, Jews were considered on an equal bases as Muslims under the Islamic State.

Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, was the main enforcer of human rights. Over a period of 10 years, from where the Islamic calendar begins, he, peace and blessings be upon him, entered into many alliances, many treaties with the Muslims and the non-Muslims, securing peace and tranquility for the Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Freedom of Religion

One right in particular is the freedom of religion. There is sometimes a misunderstood view, that if any non-Muslim lives under the rule of Islam, he/she would be curtailed in their religious freedom. There is no compulsion in Islam to accept Islam as your faith. It is a misconception to say that Islam is spread by the sword, with forced conversions. That never took place.

Secondly, if you again look at the practice of Prophet Muhammad, he provided excellent facilities for non-Muslims. For instance in his time, the monks of Mount Sinai were given protection. The monasteries were protected, the monks themselves were protected from any attack or persecution. Churches could not be pulled down to be replaced by mosques or to build houses. They were seen as a place of sanctuary and protected by the Islamic state.

The Jews were given a free hand to practice their faith. The interesting right that the Jews and the Christians were given because they were the main minority living under the Islamic state, was their right to have a holiday, the Jews on a Saturday, and the Christians on a Sunday. Interestingly enough, in many Western countries, up till now, Muslims are still struggling to have Friday as their public holiday. Only what they are given now in some Western countries is just an extra hour for lunch so that they can partake in their obligatory Friday Prayer. But under an Islamic state, Shariah stipulates that if a Jewish person or a Christian person wishes to have a holiday, to have time off on their particular religious day, they should be given that.

There also exist the rights of non-Muslim minorities. They would be protected from any external threat from any other nation. But perhaps more importantly for them, they would be protected from more internal threat, persecution and prejudice.

Confirming this is the following statement of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, in which he sheds light on the philosophy of human rights in Islam. An Arabic word for non-Muslim is Dhimmi. Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them in more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” Here we have the highest, the most revered and most esteemed Prophet of Islam, himself being the champion for non-Muslim minorities.
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Right to follow one’s own religious laws

In most Western countries, whatever the law of the land is must be followed without any recognition to one’s personal beliefs. However, an Islamic state is much more flexible in this. Non-Muslim minorities, in certain matters of personal law, such as marriage, divorce, inheritance would be able to implement their own religious laws and would not be subject to Shari`ah-law.

Right to consumption of alcohol and pork

Another interesting fact in Islamic history is that although Muslims are prohibited from entering into manufacturing, selling and consuming alcohol, whereas the ruling is not the same with non-Muslim. If there was a non-Muslim minority in an Islamic state who wish to do so, and do not involve Muslims, they would actually be given this right.
This points out that the concept of human rights in Islam has often been given a much negative view. I would urge all readers, Muslims or non-Muslims, to study the concept of human rights in Islam. To research that Islam is in fact not the violator of human rights but rather the champion of it."
Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: westernviews.com/issue2/humanrights.htm

Shedding more light on the treatment of non-Muslim minorities through Islamic history, we’d like also to cite the following:

"While on his deathbed, the Second Caliph `Umar ibn al-Khattab dictated a long will consisting of instructions for the next caliph. Here, is the last sentence of that historic document:

“I instruct you on behalf of the people who have been given protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet *. Our covenant to them must be fulfilled, we must fight to protect them, and they must not be burdened beyond their capabilities”.

At that time Caliph `Umar was lying in pain because of the wounds inflicted on him by a non-Muslim who had stabbed him with a dagger soaked in poison while he was leading the Fajr (Morning) Prayer. It should also be remembered that he was the head of a vast empire ranging from Egypt to Persia. From normal rulers of his time or ours, we could have expected vengeance and swift reaction. From a very forgiving head of state we could have expected an attempt to forget and forgive - and that would be considered noble. But a command to protect the minorities and take care of them?

What is even more remarkable is that for Muslim historians the entire affair was just natural. After all it was the caliph himself who had established the standards by writing the guarantees for the protection of life, property and religion in decree after decree as Muslims opened land after land during his rule. The pattern established here was followed for centuries throughout the Muslim world.

Of course, Caliph `Umar was simply following what he learnt from the Prophet Muhammad himself. That the protection of life, property and religious freedom of minorities is the religious duty of the Islamic state. That he personally would be demanding justice in the Hereafter on behalf of a dhimmi who had been wronged by a Muslim. That there is no compulsion in religion and that Muslims must be just to friends and foe alike.

The result of these teachings was a Muslim rule that set the golden standard for religious tolerance in a world that was not used to the idea. Not only that the Muslim history is so remarkably free of the inquisitions, persecutions, witch hunts, and holocausts that tarnish history of other civilizations, it protected its minorities from persecution by others as well. It protected Jews from Christians and Eastern Christians from Roman Catholics. In Muslim Spain under the Umayyads and in Baghdad under the Abbasid Caliphs, Christians and Jews enjoyed a freedom of religion that they did not allow each other or anyone else.

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The path that the Western world took to provide harmony in society was to banish religion from the public square. For this achievement, it thinks that it has earned lecturing rights over the issue. So it may be good to remember that while it has indeed made huge progress in the area of tolerance during the last century (which should be appreciated), it has a long way to go before it can reach the standards established by Islam.

First, while Muslim Personal Law is not recognized in the West, the Personal Law of non-Muslim minorities has always been recognized in the Muslim world. Second, while throughout Europe and America, Muslims are not permitted to make the call to prayer (adhan) on loud speakers, church bells ring freely in the Muslim world. Third, the wide spread of anti-Islamic prejudice in the Western media is both a cause and a consequence of the underlying intolerance. Fourth, hate crimes are a fact of life in the West. As just one small indication, nearly two-dozen incidents of vandalism have taken place against Mosques in the peaceful USA during the last seven years, not to mention hundreds of attacks against individuals."
 
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ahimsaman72:
well, I suppose I wouldn’t complain about the growth of these religions 😃 . I’m curious though as to why you believe this could be the case. I admit Buddhism is growing in the states, but it’s growth seems limited compared to other religions. I’m not arguing, just want to see if you clarify this.

Peace…
It was tongue-in-cheek. I just meant that their populations are larger than ours.
 
gurrato alaien:
There also exist the rights of non-Muslim minorities. They would be protected from any external threat from any other nation. But perhaps more importantly for them, they would be protected from more internal threat, persecution and prejudice.

Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, said: “Beware! Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them in more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” Here we have the highest, the most revered and most esteemed Prophet of Islam, himself being the champion for non-Muslim minorities.
Sounds like not everyone is following the Prophet’s lead, apparently…

alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L10580066.htm
 
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Anglican77:
It was tongue-in-cheek. I just meant that their populations are larger than ours.
Okay, gotcha! When you consider about 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians that would be true!!

Peace…
 
gurrato alaien:
Yes you are free to practice your own social and religious rites at home and in church without interference from the state
Thank you brother gurrato for your answers.

Peace…
 
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discipleofJesus:
ahimsaman72, imagine if someone was born in a Muslim family and therefore considered a Muslim. when he grew up, he believed Buddhism was true and became a Buddhist. he even became a buddhist monk! he minded his own business and lived a quiet peaceful life. according to Islam, this person is to be killed!

Is it not wrong to kill this person for the sole reason of leaving Islam?!
It is always wrong to kill sentient beings. This should also extend to animals, because they are sentient beings also. I don’t agree with that kind of law. I don’t agree with what the Communists have done to Tibet and China either. They have killed innocent people mercilessly, kidnapped religious leaders and destroyed many temples and driven out people like His Holiness the 14th Dalai Lama from their countries. I have less tolerance for secularism and communism than anything else. At least Islam has a system of morals!

Peace…
 
gurrato alaien:
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The path that the Western world took to provide harmony in society was to banish religion from the public square. For this achievement, it thinks that it has earned lecturing rights over the issue. So it may be good to remember that while it has indeed made huge progress in the area of tolerance during the last century (which should be appreciated), it has a long way to go before it can reach the standards established by Islam.

First, while Muslim Personal Law is not recognized in the West, the Personal Law of non-Muslim minorities has always been recognized in the Muslim world. Second, while throughout Europe and America, Muslims are not permitted to make the call to prayer (adhan) on loud speakers, church bells ring freely in the Muslim world. Third, the wide spread of anti-Islamic prejudice in the Western media is both a cause and a consequence of the underlying intolerance. Fourth, hate crimes are a fact of life in the West. As just one small indication, nearly two-dozen incidents of vandalism have taken place against Mosques in the peaceful USA during the last seven years, not to mention hundreds of attacks against individuals."
I just wish you could listen to yourself from my side of the aisle. I mean, Personal Law, is not personal freedom. And America is still, so far, a JudeoChristian nation. Its to be expected that bells will be rung as they have been rung before you even landed on our shores. This call for prayer you state is 5 times a day every day. Id say that may violate a nussance laws and not to say what OSHA would have to say about the decibel levels. Church bells normally ring for a time only once on Sundays and thats it. Would you be satisfied to call to prayer once a week???

You real aim is to change America not so much for the good but to imitate what you have in the middle east - a theocracy. I am not a fool I do have a brain and I do know what the ultimate plan is for America. All one has to do is to listen to the daily drumming from the east and what they say. It dosnt take a scientist to figure out that no matter what we do as a nation, just being a Christian or Jew or Buddhist or Hindu is enough to incite Muslims to change us into something we dont want to be.

Why dont you just leave us alone and we will leave you alone?
 
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StMarkEofE:
NOW would be as good a time as any.
Hmmmm… on second thought, I need not worry at all. I’ve read the Bible, and it has a happy ending. 😉
 
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ahimsaman72:
Okay, gotcha! When you consider about 1 billion Chinese and 1 billion Indians that would be true!!

Peace…
However, that said, clearly all of them do not practice Buddhism or Hinduism, necessarily. I just checked the CIA World Factbook and found out that Christians still make up 33% of the earth’s population followed by Muslims at 20%, Hindus at 13% and Buddhists at almost 6%.
 
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Anglican77:
However, that said, clearly all of them do not practice Buddhism or Hinduism, necessarily. I just checked the CIA World Factbook and found out that Christians still make up 33% of the earth’s population followed by Muslims at 20%, Hindus at 13% and Buddhists at almost 6%.
Well, I suppose that means I’m the lowest man on the totem pole then. But then Buddhists aren’t very good at proselytizing. So, that’s not too surprising.

Peace…
 
what is wrong living in muslim countries? absolutly nothing! just look at Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Egypt, Irak, Palestine :banghead:

Muslim, you can fool naive people, but you cannot fool those who live amongt you and know how terrible, pathetic,suffocating is to live under a dictator sharia…
 
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inJESUS:
Muslim, you can fool naive people, but you cannot fool those who live amongt you and know how terrible, pathetic,suffocating is to live under a dictator sharia…
My thoughts exactly. Just who does he think he’s fooling?
 
"Discussions about Islam typically revolve around certain verses in the Qur’an, but such discussions are often fruitless. The reason for this is that the Qur’an is very inconsistent in its approach towards unbelievers, due in large part to Muhammad’s own inconsistency. In conversations about Islam, a Muslim may argue that, according to the Qur’an, “There is no compulsion in religion” (2:256). A critic may reply with a very different passage:

Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection (9:29).

To this the Muslim replies, “Yes, it says to fight those who do not believe, but it is referring to unbelievers who attack Islam.” Thus, according to many Muslims, Islam fights, but only in self-defense. So who’s right? The solution to the debate lies in a historical examination of Islam. It is true that Muslims are only permitted to attack when threatened, but history shows what the early Muslims considered a threat. Anything other than complete submission to Islam was regarded as a threat to Islam, and so anything other than complete submission was met with extreme hostility. Even poetry and song lyrics, when used against Muhammad, were enough to warrant a sentence of death.[7]

Hence, the verses in the Qur’an that teach Muslims to live in peace should be examined within the historical context of Muhammad’s life, for it is this life that sheds light on an apparently ambiguous message. This historical context also sheds light on modern aspects of Islam, which ultimately derive from the life of its founder.

For instance, more than thirteen centuries ago, the peaceful Muhammad fled Mecca because of intense persecution. As he fled the city, he left the path of peace farther and farther behind him. He eventually returned at the head of an army, and few were brave enough to oppose him. Islamic law was suddenly supreme, with a host of bloody tales to warn its enemies. A similar phenomenon occurs in the world today. When Muslims are in the minority (as they are in America) the message is always “Let us live in peace with one another, for Islam is a religion of tolerance and understanding.” Then, once Islam has spread throughout the country, the message suddenly changes to “Anyone who stands against the Prophet is worthy of death!”

Oddly enough, this tactic has been remarkably successful for Islam. Despite more than a thousand years of bloodshed, many people are convinced that Muhammad was a gentle, humble man who never harmed anyone, and that Islam teaches its followers to be at peace with everyone who hasn’t declared war on them. Then, when someone like Osama bin Laden organizes a group of Muslims in an attack against thousands of innocent people, everyone says that he must be insane. Yet, in a curious way, Osama bin Laden is really more dedicated to true Islam than most Muslims are. If Muhammad tells Muslims to fight in the name of God and demonstrates what he means by killing men, women, and children for even minor resistance, what should a dedicated Muslim do? Should devout Muslims live in peace with the infidels around them, or should they follow Muhammad’s example by murdering the infidels in their beds?[8]"

Excerpted from “Is Islam a Religion of Peace?” By David Wood
answeringinfidels.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=45

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