You are very badly mistaken here. Heresies broke off from the One Church and died out. But since the beginning the Church was Catholic.
But they all are loyal followers of Christ and have the same basic beliefs about him as all Christians.
Geez! Read a non-biased history of Christianity will you? Fine, I’ll get you some proof and paste the link. :banghead:
Your comment didn’t make sense at all either, I just pointed out that man has tried from the beginning to make excuses for his bad choices. Now your trying to tell us that Jesus made a mistake when HE founded ONE Church and promised to be with that Church till the end of time and the gates of “Hell” will not prevail against it. But its supposed to be OK that man has divided it into so many fractions and now the thousands of denominations accepts so many sinful lifestyles, Jesus is supposed to be pleased with that! I think not. While we may choose to be “open-minded”, the Catholic Church teaches that God is Unchangable and HIS TRUTHS CAN"T change to suit our whims.
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He was certainly perceived as arrogant by all those around Him. The Jews thought he was blasphemous for claiming to be God, and being greater than Abraham. The Romans mocked Him because he was “King of the Jews”. The Truth can be perceived by the unregenerate as arrogance.Really? Gosh, Jesus was the Truth and he was never arrogant. In fact, just the opposite; he went out of his way to be humble and encouraged his followers to follow suit.
You don’t know for sure what Jesus is pleased with and what he isn’t. If you think Jesus is not pleased about something, until we get rid of these petty thoughts about how one brand of Christianity is better than another, unity will never happen and we’ll have always have schisms.
Jesus said, I AM the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE. Think about it!!! In the very early days, even before the New Testament was formed by the Church that Jesus founded, it was called the Catholic Church. We have that in writing by St. Ignatius of Antioch in the year 107. There were those that didn’t follow the Way, the Truth and the Life then too, but that didn’t stop Christ’s Church from growing stronger all the time, in spite of the persecutions. One of the 12 Apostles was a trader too but that didn’t stop Jesus from establishing the hierarchy of HIS Church. When Jesus taught about HIS body being our food, and HIS Blood being our drink,( 6th Chapter of John) many, (in fact most) walked away but that didn’t stop the Last Supper and HE didn’t change things to suit those that walked away. HIS TRUTH will always be the TRUTH.
I stand corrected, at least to a point. I was thinking more in the terms of **Roman **Catholicism, which didn’t really form as an entity till several centuries later. However, as the link (it appears to be pretty non-biased) below explains, the early Christians were considered part of the one holy catholic church. So in that sense they could be considered “catholic”. I apologize for my hint of sarcasm above.
See my post above. I’ve backed off some.
Jesus IS the TRUTH and HE can never be pleased with something untrue. Goes against HIS Divine Nature. Unity will never happen until we all follow the TRUTH. And the protestant reformation is NOT a schism, its heresy. Orthodox Churches are in schism but they STILL have the fullness of the Catholic Faith and Sacraments. I think you need to study your Catholic Faith a bit more.
Actually, it never was an entity. The correct name is “Catholic.” The “Roman” is an adjective coined around the 1600s by some folks who also wanted to use the word “catholic”, but didn’t want to be associated with the Church headquartered in Rome. It was actually a “slur” along the lines of “papist”. The Catholics of the time simply embraced the word, rendering it powerless.
We learn more every day. The term “Roman” Catholic is not a correct term for the Catholic Church. I know it is used often even by Catholics but it gives the impression the Catholic Church started in Rome and not with Jesus. Peter settled in Rome and as a result the Vatican is in Rome. All the Apostles went out into the world to spread the Gospel of Christ but Peter being the first Pope iis the head of the Church and his successor is still the head of the Catholic Church today.
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Yes, God is there in your midst. I don’t deny this. And I still think of other Christians as brothers. But you have rejected the most important thing to the Catholic for 1500 years prior to the Reformation (sic), the Mass. It is sad.
Yes, they were called Christians, as Catholics are Christian (which some of our brothers will deny - insert your own head banging against the wall, here). And the Church in Apostolic times was also called “The Way”. When was the last time you referred to your Church as this? The fact remains that as early as 110 AD (and maybe before even then), the Church was called Catholic - the entire Christian Church (not churches, mind you, but Church).
What Christian professes that all these divisions are “with Christ’s pleasure”? To the second part of your statement, you can return to Christianity the way it was for 1500 years - One Church.
Sarcasm is all right. Thanks for the apology, my brother! Your author does seem to be non-biased, but I would assume he is a little un-schooled in early Church History. He doesn’t seem familiar with St. Ignatius’ writings, nor of the fact that Pope St. Victor, in the mid 2nd century, felt he had the authority to ex-communicate the entire Eastern Church!!!
I a glad that you are very proud of your Romanism, but Peter might just as well have stayed in Antioch, and there is a succession of bishops ordained by him that comes from there. The Catholic Church is not all “Roman”. It happens that the Latin Rite is the largest, and the most prevalent here in the West, but it is quite disrespectful to the rest of the Catholic Church to narrow it in this manner. Catholic means “universal” or literally, “throughout the whole world”. It is not just comprised of the Latin Rite. THere are 22 other Rites that are in communion with the bishop of Rome. Can you find your way to be a bit more inclusive?**
Sorry, but that’s wrong
It’s called ROMAN, because it’s led o conducted by the Pope. The centre of Catholicism is Rome, where formerly the centre of the enemies of Catholicism was. Therefore, we listen to the ROMAN Catholic Church. And we do that with joy.
I have not the least problem with friends who are not convinced about our church. Might they stay whatever or even nonchristians, Jews, Moslems or Hindus or even atheists. I tell them in love what I believe and why, and that’s it.
This :banghead: wouldn’t bring anyone even one inch nearer to God.
If one wants to listen and find his way, is his problem alone. We will be asked by God “DID YOU TELL HIM IN A LOVING WAY” and our friend will be asked “DID YOU REALLY TRY TO HEAR AND UNDERSTAND MY WORD”
I don’t think God will ask “WHICH CHURCH DID YOU BELONG TO" (mine or one of the secessional sensplinter churches) if a human being lived in a loving way
Sorry – last bit is a little provocating
(plus bearing spelling mistakes as usual:blush: )
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I think you need to lighten up and be more accepting of your Christian non-Catholic brethren. Many of them feel we are heretics as well. What silliness between you both. All I can do is shake my head at such behavior. :tsktsk: I’m not sure even the Pope has such narrow minded views.