If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic? - 2

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I wouldn’t agree with that. I do believe that the RCC became apostate and that is why the great schism happened and that’s why the reformation happened. I think the RCC is increasingly irrelevant and she is way too legalistic for most people.

Also, the arrogance of claiming to be the one true church, Petrine doctrine, that no one has salvation outside the RCC, infallible papacy, transubstantiation, etc, contribute to rejection of the RCC. There are better ways.
The RCC does not teach that other Christians aren’t saved. We just don’t believe that they recieve the same graces as we do. They are still Christians; they just don’t have the fullness of The Church.
 
I know you believe that, and for a long time I believed that too. There is no Jesus in the Eucharist (won’t that start some people going off) when you repent Jesus comes INSIDE of you, His spirit and your spirit combine. His righteousness, for your unrighteousness. I used to feel that holy, peaceful feeling in the mass also… but now I don’t feel anything in the church like I used to. It’s an odd feeling but it feels cold to me now.
You have allowed someone to turn your heart away from what you know is true. Why don’t you go spend some time with Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament? Also go talk to a priest. And I suggest you read about the Miracles of the Eucharist. The Catholic Church needs no proof that the Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, we have HIS WORD on that, but it is still interesting to read about these Miracles. God gave them to us for a reason.
Just think, if you take the love you have now and apply it to the True Catholic Faith, that Peace and Joy will be yours once again.
 
I know you believe that, and for a long time I believed that too. There is no Jesus in the Eucharist (won’t that start some people going off) when you repent Jesus comes INSIDE of you, His spirit and your spirit combine. His righteousness, for your unrighteousness. I used to feel that holy, peaceful feeling in the mass also… but now I don’t feel anything in the church like I used to. It’s an odd feeling but it feels cold to me now.
It’s odd that you should say this just a few short posts after you claim to return to the early Church Fathers.

You’ve got to show me where ANY of the Church Fathers felt that Jesus was not truly in the Eucharist.
 
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There is no Jesus in the Eucharist
Oh many think so, and they even said so to Jesus as you can read in John 6:52.
And what answered Jesus:
“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”
Even some of his desciples said: “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” And Jesus returned: “Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[a] and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”
I won’t that start some people going off
Well, yes it might be so – but what does this matter?! Who will appear before God to give account about accepting or rejecting the Word of God? They who accuse me, or I myself?!
now I don’t feel anything in the church like I used to. It’s an odd feeling but it feels cold to me now.
Yes, that’s an odd and cold, yet very hot, almost hellish feeling, and as you say so, you did not yet leave the way of Jesus Christ. As long as you know there’s something wrong, you are on the right track! Get back on it! It will pay in eternity.
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Bruno wrote,

Oh many think so, and they even said so to Jesus as you can read in John 6:52.

And what answered Jesus:

“I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him. Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your forefathers ate manna and died, but he who feeds on this bread will live forever.”
Even some of his desciples said: “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?” And Jesus returned: “Does this offend you? What if you see the Son of Man ascend to where he was before! The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit[a] and they are life. Yet there are some of you who do not believe.”

Memaw says,

Most walked away and Jesus didn’t try to stop them, didn’t change a word of what he said to suit them . He DIDN"T tell them it was just a symbol but HE asked HIS apostles if they would leave HIM too, and Peter said, “Lord to whom would we go?? You have the words of Eternal Life.” Now, if most protestant denominations take the Bible literally then why don’t they believe Jesus in the 6th Chapter of John??? This happened about a year before the Last Supper where Jesus actually did change the bread and wine into HIS Precious BODY and BLOOD to be eaten and drank by the Apostles just before HE commissioned them to go and do the same. They did and this has been handed down thru the Catholic Church in the Apostolic Succession for over 2,000 years.
In all the heresies during the past 2,000 years since and even those resulting from the protestant reformation, where DID they go??? Mass confusion, loss of sacraments the saddest being the loss of the Holy Eucharist. Where have you gone and what has happened to you since?? You ridicule and perpetuate lies about Christ’s TRUE Church, even compare it to satan. Twist history to suit your lies, Protestantism has become so divided and watered down that its loosing it grip. It is blending into liberal, secular society and one day will simply fizzle out, hardly recognizable as a Christian denomination at all. Then where will they go??? Hopefully back to the TRUE. One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
 
I was born and raised Protestant, and attended several different Protestant churches through the years. I have read a lot of these posts and have really enjoyed the debate (yes! Even the rather heated ones, because I find all the posts interesting.)

I have been very blessed in that most of the churches I attended were really full of people who lived very moral lives, sincerely making it their goal to become more and more like Christ. I know many Protestant Christians who make it their priority to know the Word of God and to LIVE the Word of God, as they understand truth.

Being a Catholic was never a consideration for me, because in each and ever church I attended, I was taught that Catholics were NOT Christians. There were many differences in beliefs amongst all the churches and amongst all the Christians with which I fellowshipped, but the ONE point of UNITY was the belief that Catholics were pagan and didn’t know it. In fact, if one got really trusted in all of these groups, they would hear even more candid remarks which included “anti-christ,” “whore of babylon,” “Mystery Babylon” and more.

When people claim that the Catholics are mistaken that there are still many non-Catholics who still bash Catholics or teach that Catholics are “anti-christ” and “anti-word,” they are wrong.

It isn’t that these Protestant Christians are intrinsically evil at all. On the contrary, we always believed we were RIGHT and we LOVED Catholics and attempted to “save them” from the bondage of the “whore” system. We were extremely kind and loving to Catholics–even patronizing–because we were taught that in order to “hook them and reel them in” we mustn’t let them know we thought they were “lost” and going to hell. “Be salty” we were told. “you can catch more flies with honey” and “many Catholics have just been been deceived and don’t know it” so if you “present the TRUTH to them in LOVE, they will see the error of their ways and leave the RCC.” We were taught “If they DON’T leave the RCC after you share the truth with them, then the gospel is hidden to them because they are LOST.”

The reason many of you don’t think it is common for Protestants to be against Catholic anymore, is because you see only what they want you to see. In fact, you are potential converts to most of them. They sincerely want to save your souls and not purposely being mean.

The main reasons I would never have considered the Catholic church, was that I was taught that making “graven images” was against the 10 commandments. A close second was that I was taught that praying to dead people violated the commandment against necromancy. The third is that the one unified teaching in all the churches I went to, was that the Pope was going to be the future “anti-Christ” or at the very least, the false prophet and the Catholic church was the system that would demand that I take “the mark of the beast” or behead me. I was TERRIFIED of the Catholic Church.

Even as a child, there was a reel to reel tape that circulated our entire community. It was a nun who had “escaped a convent” and told her testimony about the beatings, the sexual abuse, the pits of aborted babies in the convent, and about her being a virtual prisoner of the Catholic church.

I saw the RCC as the main engine on earth as a massive conspiracy that was infiltrating our homes, politics, media and kept our private information in vaults in order to one day persecute us for being “true Christians.”

It is amazing to me that anyone would ever convert to the Catholic Church who has been taught the things I was taught. Sincere believers everywhere think that the moment they join a Catholic Church, they have “taken the mark of the beast.” These notions are not gone and things are not changing as quickly as you may think.

I recently heard a very respected Christian tell me, “I used to watch FOX news, but I found out they were controlled by the Catholic Church.”

More Protestants would be interested in what Catholics believe, but the warnings of caution about “being sucked in” are so great, we were nearly all taught to never even go near anything Catholic because of demonic tentacles which would grab us and pull us into hell.

I need to mention that I did not attend any of the more liturgical type churches, because I was taught that they were the most like Catholic and were the “daughters of the whore.”

There are WONDERFUL, holy living Christians in churches, all very SINCERE and who have good reasons for avoiding the Catholic Church. It isn’t that they are trying to avoid living a “holy life,” or “the fullness” of the Gospel. They are not seeking an easier way, but they think that Catholics are doing that.

When a Protestant converts to Catholicism, their Protestant peers are visibly shaken and often say things like “WHAT?! THEY KNEW BETTER than THIS!” and they make remarks like “We need to pray for them HARD, if they have not been turned over to reprobate mind, there is still hope.” Many honestly BELIEVE that Catholics are blindly in the “whore of babylon.”
 
By the way…not only do they think that many Catholic practices directly violate the scriptures, but many are adept in quoting things the Catholic Church once taught and then later arbitrarily changed. One of their most effective methods of converting Catholics to their churches, is to show them inconsistencies in the history of the church. Post Vatican II, it became MUCH easier for us to convince Catholics to leave their church. All we had to do was show them that their leadership was always changing “truth”, and changing “sins,” or to show them that their ex-cathadra doctrines were sometimes contradicted at a later time. One famous example was the years in which icons, statues, etc. were not allowed, then later were allowed.

Bottom line, Catholics who didn’t know what their church taught and why, were easy prey. Not all Catholics I knew who were convinced to leave their church were divorced or living in blatant sin, but were sincere believers who simply wanted to follow the truth and believed us. Some simply craved more fellowship with “on fire” Christians, or longed for Bible studies, or to find more Godly Christians than the Catholics they knew. It didn’t take long for them to “judge their fruit” and decide that non Catholic Christians were acting more like Christians should behave, they testified.

Whether a Catholic becomes a Protestant, or vice versa, the most COMMON reason for the change is a sincere desire to DO RIGHT. It isn’t easy to convert and people who don’t care about being right with God, don’t go to church at all and end up abandoning their faith altogether. Therefore, my conclusion is that converts have a lot in common and it isn’t always that they are purposely seeking to be heretics.

After all, one could also say that Eve may have been seeking to be MORE LIKE GOD and was tricked for a good motive, not to be blatently disobedient to God. Some things never change…
 
I was born and raised Protestant, and attended several different Protestant churches through the years. I have read a lot of these posts and have really enjoyed the debate (yes! Even the rather heated ones, because I find all the posts interesting.)

I have been very blessed in that most of the churches I attended were really full of people who lived very moral lives, sincerely making it their goal to become more and more like Christ. I know many Protestant Christians who make it their priority to know the Word of God and to LIVE the Word of God, as they understand truth.

Being a Catholic was never a consideration for me, because in each and ever church I attended, I was taught that Catholics were NOT Christians. There were many differences in beliefs amongst all the churches and amongst all the Christians with which I fellowshipped, but the ONE point of UNITY was the belief that Catholics were pagan and didn’t know it. In fact, if one got really trusted in all of these groups, they would hear even more candid remarks which included “anti-christ,” “whore of babylon,” “Mystery Babylon” and more.

When people claim that the Catholics are mistaken that there are still many non-Catholics who still bash Catholics or teach that Catholics are “anti-christ” and “anti-word,” they are wrong.

It isn’t that these Protestant Christians are intrinsically evil at all. On the contrary, we always believed we were RIGHT and we LOVED Catholics and attempted to “save them” from the bondage of the “whore” system. We were extremely kind and loving to Catholics–even patronizing–because we were taught that in order to “hook them and reel them in” we mustn’t let them know we thought they were “lost” and going to hell. “Be salty” we were told. “you can catch more flies with honey” and “many Catholics have just been been deceived and don’t know it” so if you “present the TRUTH to them in LOVE, they will see the error of their ways and leave the RCC.” We were taught “If they DON’T leave the RCC after you share the truth with them, then the gospel is hidden to them because they are LOST.”

The reason many of you don’t think it is common for Protestants to be against Catholic anymore, is because you see only what they want you to see. In fact, you are potential converts to most of them. They sincerely want to save your souls and not purposely being mean.

The main reasons I would never have considered the Catholic church, was that I was taught that making “graven images” was against the 10 commandments. A close second was that I was taught that praying to dead people violated the commandment against necromancy. The third is that the one unified teaching in all the churches I went to, was that the Pope was going to be the future “anti-Christ” or at the very least, the false prophet and the Catholic church was the system that would demand that I take “the mark of the beast” or behead me. I was TERRIFIED of the Catholic Church.

Even as a child, there was a reel to reel tape that circulated our entire community. It was a nun who had “escaped a convent” and told her testimony about the beatings, the sexual abuse, the pits of aborted babies in the convent, and about her being a virtual prisoner of the Catholic church.

I saw the RCC as the main engine on earth as a massive conspiracy that was infiltrating our homes, politics, media and kept our private information in vaults in order to one day persecute us for being “true Christians.”

It is amazing to me that anyone would ever convert to the Catholic Church who has been taught the things I was taught. Sincere believers everywhere think that the moment they join a Catholic Church, they have “taken the mark of the beast.” These notions are not gone and things are not changing as quickly as you may think.

I recently heard a very respected Christian tell me, “I used to watch FOX news, but I found out they were controlled by the Catholic Church.”

More Protestants would be interested in what Catholics believe, but the warnings of caution about “being sucked in” are so great, we were nearly all taught to never even go near anything Catholic because of demonic tentacles which would grab us and pull us into hell.

I need to mention that I did not attend any of the more liturgical type churches, because I was taught that they were the most like Catholic and were the “daughters of the whore.”

There are WONDERFUL, holy living Christians in churches, all very SINCERE and who have good reasons for avoiding the Catholic Church. It isn’t that they are trying to avoid living a “holy life,” or “the fullness” of the Gospel. They are not seeking an easier way, but they think that Catholics are doing that.

When a Protestant converts to Catholicism, their Protestant peers are visibly shaken and often say things like “WHAT?! THEY KNEW BETTER than THIS!” and they make remarks like “We need to pray for them HARD, if they have not been turned over to reprobate mind, there is still hope.” Many honestly BELIEVE that Catholics are blindly in the “whore of babylon.”
A pure work of satan against Christ’s Church. wouldnt say it?
 
<<<A pure work of satan against Christ’s Church. wouldnt say it?>>>

Not sure I understand your question…

By the way, it makes perfect sense to me that satan WOULD malign, bear false witness and/or attack any church or believer who is authentic. 🙂
 
**In my posting above, we have an exampel:
Heaven and sky or skies in German is one word, called “Himmel”.
So, you wouldn’t say cats and dogs fall from heaven, but …fall from the skies.
In the Holy Bible, the original language was Hebrew, Aramic (wrong spelling - the language of Jesus) and Greek. The way of thinking in the first century was very much different from todays. Adding the fact, that language even changes a bit from generation to generation. So, exegets have to find matching words that cover and express thinking of these days and hit or meet our understanding on the point.
As even two people sometimes apprehend different things they red on the same note or speech and attorneys are masters in twisting every word into it’s contrary, we must be open hearted WANTING to understand. We will, when it’s given to us to understand. Otherwise see psalm 115:6: they have ears, but cannot hear, or Isaiah 6:9: He said, "Go and tell this people: ‘Be ever hearing, but never understanding; be ever seeing, but never perceiving.’
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I understand much of your argument and agree. However, to suggest that the Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is a description of how the world began is, by scientific proof, incorrect. It is a creation story, developed by people who were not aware of evolution, of the fact that dinausaurs roamed the earth for millions of years - long before, and much, much longer than this insignificant creature called man.

But I do not want to get into a discussion about the literal interpretation of the Bible: every person to his or her own understanding.

In Christ
 
By the way…not only do they think that many Catholic practices directly violate the scriptures, but many are adept in quoting things the Catholic Church once taught and then later arbitrarily changed. One of their most effective methods of converting Catholics to their churches, is to show them inconsistencies in the history of the church. Post Vatican II, it became MUCH easier for us to convince Catholics to leave their church. All we had to do was show them that their leadership was always changing “truth”, and changing “sins,” or to show them that their ex-cathadra doctrines were sometimes contradicted at a later time. One famous example was the years in which icons, statues, etc. were not allowed, then later were allowed.

Bottom line, Catholics who didn’t know what their church taught and why, were easy prey. Not all Catholics I knew who were convinced to leave their church were divorced or living in blatant sin, but were sincere believers who simply wanted to follow the truth and believed us. Some simply craved more fellowship with “on fire” Christians, or longed for Bible studies, or to find more Godly Christians than the Catholics they knew. It didn’t take long for them to “judge their fruit” and decide that non Catholic Christians were acting more like Christians should behave, they testified.

Whether a Catholic becomes a Protestant, or vice versa, the most COMMON reason for the change is a sincere desire to DO RIGHT. It isn’t easy to convert and people who don’t care about being right with God, don’t go to church at all and end up abandoning their faith altogether. Therefore, my conclusion is that converts have a lot in common and it isn’t always that they are purposely seeking to be heretics.

After all, one could also say that Eve may have been seeking to be MORE LIKE GOD and was tricked for a good motive, not to be blatently disobedient to God. Some things never change…
Thank you Kaysette, you’ve been very open and honest with us and that took courage, especially on a Catholic Forum. I do hope you have learned differently about the Catholic Church and do NOT believe all those terrible lies. I am a 71 year old lifelong Catholic and I have heard just about everything they can throw at the Catholic Church. I have “talked” with hundreds of non-catholics, some VERY angry in believing their lies and nothing one can say will change their mind. That is sooo sad. Many tried to convince me they were true and when they couldn’t, they gave me up as a “lost” cause. In all my years I have NEVER heard a Catholic say such terrible things against any other Christians. I have always considered them our Separated Brethren. True Christians do not deliberately teach others, especially children to tell such lies. Jesus teaches LOVE not hate. As long as this sort of stuff is perpetuated, unity as Jesus desired, will not be accomplished. Thank God there are very many protestant ministers that are starting to study the Truth of the Catholic Faith and so maybe there is real hope yet. With God, nothing is impossible. And Many of them have become Catholic when they learn the TRUTH. I have just heard recently from a Very reliable source that 400,000 thats right, 400,000, Anglicans are about to enter the Catholic Church They left the Anglican Church after it decided to ordain women. 800 Anglican priest left and so far 500 of them have become Catholic Priests. Not only that but 3,000 Orthodox and several of their Bishops along with their Patriarch have recently reunited to the Catholic Church. and also in 2006, 80,6817 adults were baptized into the Catholic Faith and 73,684 came into full communion in the Catholic Church. I don’t have the stats for 07 & 08 but I understand the numbers are even greater. Do you really think all those folks would have come into the Catholic Church even if there was the slightest chance any of those lies were true??? I would hope that all those that live in the fear of those lies would come out from under that kind of bondage and seek the truth.

Even if Eve was “seeking” to be more like God, the consequences were the same. She knew better, she had free will and infused knowledge and God had warned them what would happen if they disobeyed HIM. Their excuses didn’t work. Repentance was the only door open to them.

God Bless, Memaw
 
I understand much of your argument and agree. However, to suggest that the Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden is a description of how the world began is, by scientific proof, incorrect. It is a creation story, developed by people who were not aware of evolution, of the fact that dinausaurs roamed the earth for millions of years - long before, and much, much longer than this insignificant creature called man.

But I do not want to get into a discussion about the literal interpretation of the Bible: every person to his or her own understanding.

In Christ
My,My wonders never cease, It wasn’t to long ago that scientist have proven thru DNA, that we ALL came from the same set, yes one set, of Parents. That means one man, (Adam,) 1 woman,(Eve). HMMMMMMMMM, thats something the Catholic Church has taught for 2,000 years, and folks believed it for thousands of years before that. You must know something we don’t.
Dinosaurs are millions and millions of years before Man and believe it or not, God created them too.
 
Of the former catholics I know, myself included it was entirly for scriptural reasons and the fact that the catholic church is an apostate church not the church of God in any way shape or form. There is only Gods truth in scripture and if these people quote scripture to you and you don’t find yourself convicted of that I would challenge you on why you do not see the truth when it is presented to you. Not mans truth as in the pope or catholic doctrine but God’s Word. You must be born again, You must not pray to others and you must walk worthy of the calling you recieved. These are all scriptural directives. Salvation is by faith alone and yet you miss that, you can and are to know you are saved yet catholics call this the sin of presumption. I suspect the fact also is that when you want to throw catholic doctrine at them or us rather than anything knowledge of Gods Word, there is no sense to continue with you, for you are still lost and it would be casting pearls amongst the swine so to speak. This is more directed to the person who began the thread
 
Of the former catholics I know, myself included it was entirly for scriptural reasons and the fact that the catholic church is an apostate church not the church of God in any way shape or form. There is only Gods truth in scripture and if these people quote scripture to you and you don’t find yourself convicted of that I would challenge you on why you do not see the truth when it is presented to you. Not mans truth as in the pope or catholic doctrine but God’s Word. You must be born again, You must not pray to others and you must walk worthy of the calling you recieved. These are all scriptural directives. Salvation is by faith alone and yet you miss that, you can and are to know you are saved yet catholics call this the sin of presumption. I suspect the fact also is that when you want to throw catholic doctrine at them or us rather than anything knowledge of Gods Word, there is no sense to continue with you, for you are still lost and it would be casting pearls amongst the swine so to speak. This is more directed to the person who began the thread
Hello backfrmthebrink,

Your uncharitable comments here, amount to nothing more than anti-Catholic propaganda and a personal tirade. You apparently have a serious dislike for the Catholic Church and Catholics in general, why?

Do you consider Catholics to be “Christian”?

What do you base your comments on? Would you please provide some credible sources, the sources that you have used to form these opinions?

You can start by explaining and sourcing your comment regarding - “the catholic church is an apostate church”

I have heard this exact man-made, fabricated, fictitious and anti-Catholic phrase many times before, whom are you quoting? Who first coined this phrase, do you know?

Did you reach your conclusions by reading the Bible, a “Catholic Book” and then personally interpreting what you had read?

I am sorry but I doubt that these are your own words. I have my doubts’ because many of the phrases used by you here, are common, non-Catholic Christian, Evangelical, “Born-again”, Fundamentalist… anti-Catholic talking points, am I right?

Be nice 🙂

Peace.
 
Of the former catholics I know, myself included it was entirly for scriptural reasons and the fact that the catholic church is an apostate church not the church of God in any way shape or form. There is only Gods truth in scripture and if these people quote scripture to you and you don’t find yourself convicted of that I would challenge you on why you do not see the truth when it is presented to you. Not mans truth as in the pope or catholic doctrine but God’s Word. You must be born again, You must not pray to others and you must walk worthy of the calling you recieved. These are all scriptural directives. Salvation is by faith alone and yet you miss that, you can and are to know you are saved yet catholics call this the sin of presumption. I suspect the fact also is that when you want to throw catholic doctrine at them or us rather than anything knowledge of Gods Word, there is no sense to continue with you, for you are still lost and it would be casting pearls amongst the swine so to speak. This is more directed to the person who began the thread
Backfromthebrink, I think you are mistaken. You’ll find the humor threads on “The Back Fence”.

But thanks for the laugh!!!
 
Of the former catholics I know, myself included it was entirly for scriptural reasons and the fact that the catholic church is an apostate church not the church of God in any way shape or form. There is only Gods truth in scripture and if these people quote scripture to you and you don’t find yourself convicted of that I would challenge you on why you do not see the truth when it is presented to you. Not mans truth as in the pope or catholic doctrine but God’s Word. You must be born again, You must not pray to others and you must walk worthy of the calling you recieved. These are all scriptural directives. Salvation is by faith alone and yet you miss that, you can and are to know you are saved yet catholics call this the sin of presumption. I suspect the fact also is that when you want to throw catholic doctrine at them or us rather than anything knowledge of Gods Word, there is no sense to continue with you, for you are still lost and it would be casting pearls amongst the swine so to speak. This is more directed to the person who began the thread
Hello again backfrmthebrink,

Maybe you could start with some Bible verses that you believe will support your position here?

Peace
 
Of the former catholics I know, myself included it was entirly for scriptural reasons and the fact that the catholic church is an apostate church not the church of God in any way shape or form. There is only Gods truth in scripture and if these people quote scripture to you and you don’t find yourself convicted of that I would challenge you on why you do not see the truth when it is presented to you. Not mans truth as in the pope or catholic doctrine but God’s Word. You must be born again, You must not pray to others and you must walk worthy of the calling you recieved. These are all scriptural directives. Salvation is by faith alone and yet you miss that, you can and are to know you are saved yet catholics call this the sin of presumption. I suspect the fact also is that when you want to throw catholic doctrine at them or us rather than anything knowledge of Gods Word, there is no sense to continue with you, for you are still lost and it would be casting pearls amongst the swine so to speak. This is more directed to the person who began the thread
Back from the Brink of WHAT??? I thought you folks claimed to read the Bible. seems like you missed most of it.
 
Whether a Catholic becomes a Protestant, or vice versa, the most COMMON reason for the change is a sincere desire to DO RIGHT. It isn’t easy to convert and people who don’t care about being right with God, don’t go to church at all and end up abandoning their faith altogether. Therefore, my conclusion is that converts have a lot in common and it isn’t always that they are purposely seeking to be heretics.
I sincerely agree. 👍
 
Entirely my words. A former devote catholic, currently a devote student of my Father’s Word, It seems that there is a negative feeling about born again people Yet Christ’s own words “you must be born again” should address that, If by fundementalist you mean literal interpretation of scripture. By all means I am that. You asked for Bible verses to explain my thoughts I will offer them. But first I find it intresting that everyone seems to think that because someone left the catholic church it was without thought, conviction or passion for our Lord. You worship and pray to Mary and saints. by the doctrine of your church you do. I have heard lofty arguments to say otherwise but in truth you do just that despite the fact that our Father has said that there is one way to Him, through Christ Jesus. You must be born again.` Even Mary said I rejoice 'fore I know my savior is within me. she was saying that she needed a savior too. she was not a diety but a sinner like us, She was not a virgin either as she had children after Christ yet the catholic church has mutilated the greek to say what it does not say in terms of Christ having biological siblings. 2 cor 4:3-4 JN 3:3 1 cor 1:21, Rom 1:19, Rom 10:17, Rom8:34, Heb 9:24, 1JN 2:1, Heb 7:23-25, JN 14:16-17, Eph 4:30
I can give you much more but I will wait until you have reviewed these. Gods speed in this.
 
The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.

When quoting Jesus saying that He said that He was true blood and flesh… so many Catholics choose to ignore the explanation of what Jesus was saying. His words were SPIRIT, he was talking about spiritual things.

I know many of you will have arguments to that…save yourself the typing, I’m merely trying to give reasons as to why I left the Church. And no, Satan didn’t drag me away to some apostate God forsaken hell bound church… He led me into His truth, into a beautiful church that elevates God’s word over tradition and gets back to the basic commission of preaching the gospel to all mankind. The reason I know that my church has God’s blessing is in the signs and wonders, I see prophecy, people being healed (physically and spiritually) and restored by the Holy Spirit. That’s how I know that God honors the Church I am in.

When was the last time you saw anyone on their knees crying in repentance broken of sin? Or people jumping for joy at their salvation in Christ?

It’s all rituals and tradition in the Catholic church now and God is over in the corner being ignored. Communion in my church is absolutely beautiful, we all gather around the communion table and partake of the bread and wine just really thanking God for what He has done. It’s a beautiful thing, and it beats anything I ever experienced as a Catholic.

I stand before my God guiltless and blameless in His eyes, not because of anything I have done but because of everything that Christ has done.
 
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