If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[onmyknees]

I celebtate mass 5 times a week at least because you see I love my Catholic Faith, Jesus’ Church. I was brought up in the 70’s and was not taught much at all except for the peace and love part. We had priests and nuns leaving the Church because of all the liberal changes that occurred. Vatican 2 did not make all these changes. If you read the catechism, written after Vatican 2 you can see this is true. So, like so many other Catholics I drifted away also. I searched out other denominations buy I knew something was missing. When I came back to visit I heard a very reverent mass by a young pastor who preached about service, sacrificial love and the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist! I went to confession and received God’s grace and forgiveness. Now I love confession! The church has had popes, bishops, and priests who have sinned gravely but aren’t we all sinners. The Catholic Church is still here and " The gates of hell will not prevail against it".

 

[onmyknees]

Read John 5:16 regarding mortal verses venial sin. Venial means “pardonable”. Mortal means “deadly”. We work out our salvation in fear and trembling. You know that when we have faith and love we want to do works of charity for Jesus and our neighbors.

 

[fbl9]

that should help to get sarted on a proper dialoge onmyknees i thank you.

 

[FredSmith]

Is accusing Catholics here of being “rude” going to be your only response to every “Catholic” Post?

Is being rude all you can do?

Simply, and I do mean “simply”, saying, “your rude” because someone disagrees with you, is dumb and doesn’t, at all advance any of your positions here.

I didn’t say you’re rude because you disagree with the Bible, I said you’re rude because you’re very rude.

It is these types of short, baseless, meaningless answers that make Protestantism so appealing to so many. It takes a lot of effort to explain Catholic doctrine, because it is based on the entire Bible,

But it isn’t based on the Bible. It’s completely anti-Biblical.

in context, where as, many Protestant beliefs are based on a handful of verses.[/quoet]

And yet, anytime I’ve asked you to name one Christian belief that isn’t backed up by scripture, you can’t do it.

Now, since it’s obvious that you can’t show any manners or civility, welcome to my ignore list.

 

[FredSmith]

Uhm…How could Mary NOT be the mother of God?

Mary is Jesus’ mother. Jesus is part of the Trinity, one God in three persons. Jesus is God, Mary is Jesus’ mother, therefore she must be the mother of God.

I’m a Protestant, by the way.

I see. Do you believe that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all the same God?

 

[2ndGen]

Is list.

Ahhhh! Breakfast is served!

Ok “pastor” Smith!

I have a dozen questions or so for you, so let us get to it!

 

[FredSmith]

FredSmith;3197242:

See that? And you were weeping a few days ago about being picked on, right?

No, I’m not weeping at all and I never said anything about being picked on. I just pointed out that your’e very rude and that such heresies as praying to the dead, worship of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, etc, are not Biblical;

Abomination?

Jesus’ Sacrament an abomination

No, the Roman Catholic heresy is an abomination.

Now, what Christ calls His Body and Blood, you call an abomination?

No, I called your made up tradition an abomination.

Now, if it’s not “our” Bible, who’s is it?

And if He says it’s His Body, I’ll accept His teaching (not yours or any other man’s).

And if the BIble says it’s a piece of bread, then I’m going to accept the authoritative teaching of God’s word.

See folks, I knew it! Once I heard his precursors of fear at his getting kicked off, I sense something was up there! I gave him the benefit of the doubt!

Actually, you’ve been one of the nastiest people here.

[qwuote]Please allow me to issue him the theological spanking he so deserves!

Oh, yeah. Be sure to let me know when that happens.

 

[FredSmith]

Ahhhh! Breakfast is served!

Ok “pastor” Smith!

I have a dozen questions or so for you, so let us get to it!

If you think you can be civil long enough to ask me your questions, go ahead. If not, then I’m going to put you on ignore, like I should have done after your first post to me.

 

[chrisb]

I want to make this clear to you that I believe what the Council of Ephesus in 432 AD declared that Mary is the Mother of God, the Theotokos.

The problem I have with is saying that Jesus was NOT in the beginning. He was in the beginning but without his human nature. The Book of Revelation made this very clear.

Jesus said.

“Fear not,** I am the first and the last**, and the living one; I died, and behold I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of the Death and Hades.” Rev 1:17-18.

When Jesus said I am the first and the last, implies, he was there in the beginning of creation, or rather. He had no beginning. He is God in full communion with Triune God. Three Divine Persons. He is the last because He is unending. He is Immortal.

He divine presence has always been there. He is eternal. Jesus is indeed God-Man. Jesus received his bodily human flesh from Mary. The blood of Mary flows through Jesus, and the blood of Jesu flows through Mary just as Fr. Corapi said.

Our Lord and Saviour spoke as both Man and God due to the presence of both Natures and both Wills. What happened at the Nativity of our Lord was the ‘union’ of God and Man. We cannot disregard His Human Nature and it’s example for us anymore than we can disregard His Divine Nature. By conflating the Person of Jesus Christ with that of the Logos you do grave harm to our understanding of the importance of this union and the role of Jesus as a Mediator for all Mankind. God does not mediate with Himself nor did He choose to die on our behalf to fulfill His own Justice in the sense that you would conclude in your conflating of the Logos and Jesus. Yes, Jesus is the Logos but Jesus is also a Man, like us in every way except sin. The Logos cannot be tempted by Satan but Jesus the Man even with the Logos present could have been tempted. Jesus could have rejected the cup given Him by the Father if He would have not done the Will of the Father (i.e. the Will of the Godhead) but He did do their Will which was also His Will through perfect obedience.

The Incarnation was not God in a flesh suit. Jesus Christ was Fully God and Fully Man. With a Human Soul and a Human Will. To forget or discard or conflate this miracle does grave harm to our understanding of Jesus Christ. I encourage you to read first sources like St. Athanasius’ On the Incarnation and set aside modern catechisms which offer only rudimentary understanding of these great Mysteries.

 

[2ndGen]

If you think you can be civil long enough to ask me your questions, go ahead. If not, then I’m going to put you on ignore, like I should have done after your first post to me.

:crying:

This coming from the head insulter here?

Nope, you get what you put out.

Strictly docrinal issues.

I know you won’t engage me because I’ve already been ignored by your “not” answering my previous questions to you.

But that’s okay…I can always post them and re-post them.



Now, back to your insult regarding what you called turning Jesus into a “Saltine”.

Just so that we’re clear here, you were referring to The Eucharist, correct?

I just want to be sure before I unleash the theological Tsunami I’m about to on you.

 

[FredSmith]

Now, back to your insult regarding what you called turning Jesus into a “Saltine”.

Just so that we’re clear here, you were referring to The Eucharist, correct?

I am referring to your eucharist.

I think it’s funny that you’re now offended that I called your cracker a Saltine, but you see nothing offensive about belittling our beliefs.

 

[2ndGen]

No, I’m not weeping at all and I never said anything about being picked on. I just pointed out that your’e very rude and that such heresies as praying to the dead, worship of Mary, Purgatory, indulgences, etc, are not Biblical;

Proof that they are heresies?

No, the Roman Catholic heresy is an abomination.

No, you called The Sacrament of The Eucharist an abomination. Your words, not mine.

And if the BIble says it’s a piece of bread, then I’m going to accept the authoritative teaching of God’s word.

Jesus said that it was His “flesh”, not just a piece of bread anymore.

Scripture that undoes what Jesus calls it please?

Here’s mine:
Matthew 26:
26And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Now, before you reply, note that He “blessed” or annointed the bread therefore making it Holy.

Actually, you’ve been one of the nastiest people here.

Yeah, that’s what those who lose debates with me say and those Catholics that care more about “image” than truth. For them, it’s more preferable that people call our faith a heresy, than that a Catholic defends our faith.

 

[2ndGen]

I am referring to your eucharist.

I think it’s funny that you’re now offended that I called your cracker a Saltine, but you see nothing offensive about belittling our beliefs.

“your” Eucharist?

Hmmm…let’s see what Christians (that you believe are “not” Catholics) say about this:

Jesus’ Real Presence in the Eucharist
“They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to Smyrnaeans, 7,1 (c. A.D. 110).

“For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh.” Justin Martyr, First Apology, 66 (c. A.D. 110-165).

“[T]he bread over which thanks have been given is the body of their Lord, and the cup His blood…” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18,4 (c. A.D. 200).

“He acknowledged the cup (which is a part of the creation) as his own blood, from which he bedews our blood; and the bread (also a part of creation) he affirmed to be his own body, from which he gives increase to our bodies.” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, V:2,2 (c. A.D. 200).

“But what consistency is there in those who hold that the bread over which thanks have been given is the Body of their Lord, and the cup His Blood, if they do not acknowledge that He is the Son of the Creator of the world…” Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV:18, 2 (c. A.D. 200).

scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html#tradition-I

And that’s just the first 170 years of Christianity post Christ.

 

[2ndGen]

I am referring to your eucharist.

I think it’s funny that you’re now offended that I called your cracker a Saltine, but you see nothing offensive about belittling our beliefs.

By the way “pastor” Smith,
Protestants use crackers.

Catholics use true to form unleavened bread which coincidentally is exactly what Jesus used.

How can a Protestant religious leader “not” know this?

 

[FredSmith]

Yeah, that’s what those who lose debates with me say

Pride comes before a fall.

 

[FredSmith]

By the way “pastor” Smith,
Protestants use crackers.

Actually, we use bread.

How can a Protestant religious leader “not” know this?

Since I’m usually the one who gets it from the bakery, I do know that we use bread.

 

[2ndGen]

Actually, we use bread.

Since I’m usually the one who gets it from the bakery, I do know that we use bread.

Leavened bread?

But that’s not scriptural.

:tsktsk:

 

[2ndGen]

Pride comes before a fall.

You keep on attempting to pluck out those splinters!

:clapping:

 

[2ndGen]

Actually, we use bread.

Since I’m usually the one who gets it from the bakery, I do know that we use bread.

So pastor, how’s about Christianity believing in The Eucharist since the beginning of Chrisitanity?

Any comment on The Eucharist being a universal “Christian” tradition for 2,000 years?

 

[FredSmith]

So pastor, how’s about Christianity believing in The Eucharist since the beginning of Chrisitanity?

Any comment on The Eucharist being a universal “Christian” tradition for 2,000 years?

Don’t care. We derive our doctrine by what the word of God says, not the traditions of other men.

Leavened bread?

But that’s not scriptural.

I don’t see anything in scripture that stipulates unleavened bread.