If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[2ndGen]

Don’t care. We derive our doctrine by what the word of God says, not the traditions of other men.

Ok…so Jesus’ teaching that the bread became His body is a teaching of man?

I don’t see anything in scripture that stipulates unleavened bread.

Wow. That’s sad…and you’re “pastoring” people?

"Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Matt 26:17)

"On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Mark 14:12)

"Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching (Luke 22:1) … Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. (Luke 22:7)

Maybe you should look into a new trade.

I don’t believe you’re qualified to lead other Christians.



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[2ndGen]

Maybe you should look into a new trade.

I don’t believe you’re qualified to lead other Christians.

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Now that was worth Cyber Purgatory!

Forgive me CAF, but he asked for it.

 

[FredSmith]

Unleavened Bread

the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Matt 26:17)

"On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Mark 14:12)

"Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching (Luke 22:1) … Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. (Luke 22:7)

Maybe you should look into a new trade.

I don’t believe you’re qualified to lead other Christians.



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Now, since you’ve made it clear that you’re unable to act like a grownup or to go even one post without insults and personal attacks, welcome to my ignore list.

 

[2ndGen]

2ndGen;3200030:

Now, since you’ve made it clear that you’re unable to act like a grownup or to go even one post without insults and personal attacks, welcome to my ignore list.

In the immortal words of PeeWee Herman…

“I know you are, but what am I?”

:dancing:

youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

:extrahappy:

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

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And all just because I proved you wrong…

I don’t see anything in scripture that stipulates unleavened bread.

Wow. That’s sad…and you’re “pastoring” people?

"Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Matt 26:17)

"On the first day of Unleavened Bread, when the Passover lamb was being sacrificed, His disciples said to Him, “Where do You want us to go and prepare for You to eat the Passover?” (Mark 14:12)

"Now the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, was approaching (Luke 22:1) … Then came the first day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. (Luke 22:7)

 

[2ndGen]

In the immortal words of PeeWee Herman…

“I know you are, but what am I?”

:dancing:

youtube.com/watch?v=hMenB9Ywh2Q

:extrahappy:

:clapping: :clapping: :clapping:

=========================================

And all just because I proved you wrong…

I don’t see anything in scripture that stipulates unleavened bread.

 

[fbl9]

hi FredSmith i responding to your post #342 and i ask do you believe if the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God?

 

[Mannyfit75]

Our Lord and Saviour spoke as both Man and God due to the presence of both Natures and both Wills. What happened at the Nativity of our Lord was the ‘union’ of God and Man. We cannot disregard His Human Nature and it’s example for us anymore than we can disregard His Divine Nature.

Where in My post did I disregard his human nature? All I said that in the beginning Jesus was pure Spirit.

By conflating the Person of Jesus Christ with that of the Logos you do grave harm to our understanding of the importance of this union and the role of Jesus as a Mediator for all Mankind. God does not mediate with Himself nor did He choose to die on our behalf to fulfill His own Justice in the sense that you would conclude in your conflating of the Logos and Jesus. Yes, Jesus is the Logos but Jesus is also a Man, like us in every way except sin. The Logos cannot be tempted by Satan but Jesus the Man even with the Logos present could have been tempted. Jesus could have rejected the cup given Him by the Father if He would have not done the Will of the Father (i.e. the Will of the Godhead) but He did do their Will which was also His Will through perfect obedience.

St. Ireneaus would have disagree with you completely. I will quote him to prove my case.

The Incarnation was not God in a flesh suit. Jesus Christ was Fully God and Fully Man. With a Human Soul and a Human Will. To forget or discard or conflate this miracle does grave harm to our understanding of Jesus Christ. I encourage you to read first sources like St. Athanasius’ On the Incarnation and set aside modern catechisms which offer only rudimentary understanding of these great Mysteries.

**
The incarnation is the Word made flesh. I’m not trying to turn the body as some outfit. If you bother to read my post at all, I quoted from Scripture, that Jesus took a form of a saved, and took on our nature.**

Chris, you are started to preach something contrary to the Magisterium of the Catholic Church. Shame on you

 

[FredSmith]

hi FredSmith i responding to your post #342 and i ask do you believe if the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are one God?

Yes, they are one God.

That is why, if you believe the heresy that Mary is God’s mother because she is the mother of Jesus’ Earthly incarnation (and yes, I already know that you’re going to falsely accuse me of Nestorianism), you must also believe that she is the mother of the Father and the mother of the Holy Spirit.

Otherwise, you’re talking about polytheism.

 

[fbl9]

hi FredSmith if there is no Trinity of -persons- in God then there would be no Eternal Son to become man. did God the Father become man? did God the Holy Spirit become man?

 

[FredSmith]

hi FredSmith if there is no Trinity of -persons- in God then there would be no Eternal Son to become man. did God the Father become man? did God the Holy Spirit become man?

The trinity is one God revealed in three co-equal, co-eternal, yet seperate and distinct persons.

Because God is one God, to claim that Mary is the mother of God is to claim that Mary is the mother of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, as well.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi, c659smith, thank you so much for this post.
It is a pleasure to be asked qurestions for verification of understanding and not felling like I am be attacked, or my beliefs are falliable

I would encourage everyone, including myself, to take note of how you present yourself is a Christ-like Christian way on this post, thank you again

You said we Catholics do not believe we are saved right now?

I am sorry for not being clearer. I will never say that “someone is saved” or “someone is not saved”. That is a judgement in which I believe only God can make, and I am not God

Or am under that impression by what someone posted
Yes!, I was asking mgrfin a question to help me understand what he/she meant by saying,

We as Catholics work out

 

[whatisthetruth]

cont…

Here are the questions/statements I did not answer. There is a good chance I believe,

#2 We still must work at keeping our faith

Question-Do you agree?
I am sorry I can not answer, in due respect the faith/works issue is another topic which is very much debated and can have different implications. I believe the following verse for what it says which I believe is very straight forward.

For by grace are ye saved through faith

; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:8-9

The verse does say we are saved by faith and not by works. If you watched the Paul Washer video you heard him say,…

What you need to know is that salvation is by faith and faith alone in Jesus Christ.
And faith alone in Jesus Christ is preceeded and followed by repentance.
A turning away from sin, a hatred for the things that God hates, and a love for the things God loves
A growing in holiness and a desire not to be like…the world…but to be like Jesus Christ

…which I believe is a very good illustration on describing the faith vs works issue especially when it comes to understanding Ephesians 2:8,9

#3 We as being human fall in and out of faith if we do not work at keeping in Grace and communion with Christ.

Question-Do you agree?

sorry again I can not answer because of the terminology of your question may have different implications to it than what I may or may not agree with.

Does it mean that if I believe Jesus as God, Jesus died for our sins, have at one point agreed and taken Jesus as my savior
yesterday but have not changed from my sinful ways I am saved?

That if I do not turn away from sinful ways I am saved?

and again I am sorry I can not answer because your questions may have different implications to it than what I may or may not agree with and your eternal destiny is at stake.

c659smith, from the following, here is what I believe salvation is.

When I say I am saved, I am declaring, praise God, should I experience an immediate physical death right now, I am sure my eternal destiny is heaven because I believe in you God and I havesincerely exercised my faith in and belief in Jesus and trust in your word and accepted Jesus as my Lord and Saviour

Every time I make that commitment to God, He is true to His word and saves me

Please do not get me wrong. Salvation is not a free ticket to heaven and does not give me a clearance to sin as I will and I will be ok. I have too much respect for God for that thaught to cross my mind.

I know what Jesus meant in order to follow Him, I need to carry my “cross”, for me is (being rejected mostly everytime I mention Jesus name to a stranger, financial destitude, not being able to put my daughter through college, not being able to be a sole provider for my family, and the list goes on) as I am sure you have your wn “crosses” to carry.

I believe God when He says that it is by faith and belief in Him that I am saved, I trust Him in His word and every day in which I proclaim His word and repent and confess, I am saved.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:9

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John3:16

I look forward to any more questions you may have, I am sorry I was long but I wanted to answer your questions just as sincere as I would anyone elses.

May God

truth

 

[fbl9]

hi FredSmith by the sme train of thought then one should not believe the same Jesus who died on the cross is not God then if one is to beleive Mary is not his mother.

 

[ralphinal]

Pastor Smith et al,

Does the phrase Mother of God tell us about Mary’s state or that of her son?

 

[fbl9]

hi whatisthetruth as a catholic i lay my trust in Jesus this way"the soldering wick He will not extingish nor the bent reed shall He break off. my confidence lies in His words" He will jugde with justice and not unfairly"

 

[fbl9]

Pastor Smith et al,

Does the phrase Mother of God tell us about Mary’s state or that of her son?

what else is there to say?

 

[HannahLisa]

hi HannahLisa what do you accept as true of the teachings catholic church?

This is a difficult question, because I’m not sure of all the Catholic teachings that I do agree with! For the purposes of simplicity I’m not going to include basic Christian beliefs here.

*I agree with Catholics that the deuterocanonical books are valid Scripture.
*I understand and accept the reasoning behind praying to Mary and the Saints, though I don’t practice either.
*I do NOT believe in OSAS, though I’m not sure exactly what the Catholic view on salvation is, so I’m not sure I entirely agree with it!
*I tend to think that Mary was indeed Ever-Virgin
*I believe in the Real Presence

There may be more, but that’s all I can think of right now.

Also, in order to be truly accurate, Christian churches should probably be using matzoh for Communion…which, as far as I know, no one does.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Im not going to split hairs with you. This second, next second, ten seconds later. I can presume, I guess.

But tomorrow, next week, next month, next year - yeah, you understand and accept the Catholic position.

Sounds like you are looking for a reason for not becoming Catholic if you run into these second by second decisions. Hopefully, that’s not how you are.

Be honest. Is that the only reason for you not becoming a Catholic?

peace

did you notice #269?

 

[CalmDownWisWins]

The trinity is one God revealed in three co-equal, co-eternal, yet seperate and distinct persons.

Because God is one God, to claim that Mary is the mother of God is to claim that Mary is the mother of God the Father and God the Holy Spirit, as well.

Fred, dude, is Jesus God or not?

Is (our Holy Mother) Mary the Mother of Jesus?

How is she NOT God’s mother?

Mary is the Mother of Jesus, not God the Father, or God the Holy Spirit, but why should she be as those “non-Jesus” persons were not born of her? But she is the Mother of God the “Jesus-Guy”, which makes her the Mother of God, as Jesus is God.

Where God is, God is, as God, which is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, and while the Virgin Mary didn’t give physical birth to any person other than God the Son, all of God was there as God is only and always ONE God. How is that humanly explainable so as to be completely understandable? It can’t be! That’s why it’s a mystery.

The intolerance of “mystery” by protestants is one of their chief “internal conflicts” which cause them to “fly apart” and behave as they do. Just consider the “un-glued-ness”, and the desparate “physical force” (coersion) with which they try to keep their little bands of co-doctrinists together with, which they demonstrate!

Your “legalism” is typical of a school of thought, and sensible in it’s logic, but simply not true.

Since you are errant due your not accepting proper authority, which only God can convince you of, you are both correct in your logic and wrong in your facts.

 

[whatisthetruth]

whatisthetruth, hello and thank you for your posts here.

All Catholics agree we are one faith, one Church and one group of believers.

Catholics, especially us lay Catholics (amateurs) mess this up from time to time when trying to explain our faith, but it does not affect the Catholic Faith.

I hope that we are all growing in our faith and continuing to learn new things all the time.

Good Catholics, when they come to learn a Catholic truth, accept it, surrendering to God and His Church.

Catholics themselves do not have an opinion on faith and morals in the Roman Catholic Church. We are all at different point in our journey and knowledge of our faith. Catholics occasionally have a hard time articulating what they believe.

Many like me; I am a terrible writer, I probably drive those with an English major here nuts, oh well… but I do the best I can and I do this because I love my Roman Catholic Faith.

Please do not take everything you hear from a Catholic as the “official doctrine” of the Church, go to the official doctrine and read it for yourself, hopefully a lay Catholic will lead you their. Also, give a Catholic poster the opportunity to clarify what they previously wrote. There is no disagreement, there is only the need for a follow-up response.

We try to do the best we can to defend our faith because we are madly in love with Jesus and His Church, but we are not perfect and make mistakes from time to time, please forgive us Catholics for not being perfect…

May God Bless You,

Jimmy

God bless you Jimmy, I for one do not want to be argumentative, But I ahve been told meny of time here my beliefs are falliable,

We are God’s children and I agree we should try to understand one another better and not put each other down. Is that what Jesus would want us to do?

By the way their is nothing wrong with your writing

God bless

truth