If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[Pwrlftr]

No Catholic book can be published without the authority of The Catholic Church and only after it’s been thoroughly reviewd “by” The Church.

The NIV has no “owner” per say like The Holy Bible does in The Church.

It is owned by the company that published the Satanic bible.

Now, how can one trust a book published by a company that publishes works of Satanists?

Other companies publish the NIV but at any rate, even if that weren’t so, it would make no difference as to the accuracy of the translation. If one were truly curious one could read the NIV published by HarperCollins and one published by another comapny and compare.

The company, HarperCollins publishes how many books? 10k, 100k, 1MM?

Regardless of their rather secular slant, why would that affect the contents of the translation since they weren’t the ones involved in translation process?

 

[SyCarl]

No Catholic book can be published without the authority of The Catholic Church and only after it’s been thoroughly reviewd “by” The Church.

The NIV has no “owner” per say like The Holy Bible does in The Church.

It is owned by the company that published the Satanic bible.

Now, how can one trust a book published by a company that publishes works of Satanists?

The International Bible Society holds the copyright for the NIV

 

[Pwrlftr]

The International Bible Society holds the copyright for the NIV

I didn’t know that. Thanks.

 

[2ndGen]

But there was no NT Canon!! Even OT got changed in approx 90 by Jews who didn’t want to use the same OT as Christians did.

The Pharisees rejected the writings of The Apostles. They never recognized The New Testament even hundreds of years later.

They closed their canon in 90 AD at the council of Jamnia taking out the same books the Protestants would take out 1500 years later for the same reasons…they just didn’t jive with their beliefs.

Meanwhile, The Catholic Church kept the books that Jesus used from The Septugaint.

(Thank God! )

 

[Jimmy_B]

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We should all (including myself) remember to always try to be nice to one another here and not to get people so “work-up” to the point where they are eventually banned.

Although, I know that sometimes it can not be avoided.

I will miss FredSmith and I hope that one day he finds the truth found in the Roman Catholic faith.

This forum does not work without apposing viewpoints.

Some here might argue, that this is why they are not Catholic and it is unfortunate for them, because to consider the flaws of another person (when we are all, in fact “flawed"), when coming to such a conclusion, is to misjudge an entire faith and that is wrong.

Matthew 22:37-40
37 And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the great and first commandment. 39 And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. 40 On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.” (Matthew (RSV) 22)

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

I’ll keep my eyes peeled!

Did you like my Eulogy for him?

2ndGen

It was a very nice Eulogy.

the problem with Fred was that no matter what you said to him he was set to fight not discuss. He would not acknowledge anything that was presented to him. It was sad.

I pray that some day he may open his heart. Even If he was to never come to the Church just to be able to see some other the truth and love of God and Christ that we share would truly be a blessing to him.

 

[2ndGen]

The Pharisees were not infallible. If they were, why would Jesus tell His disciples to beware of their teaching?

When did He tell them to beware of their teaching?

What I quoted teaches us that we are to adhere to what they teach.

What I remember Him telling us that we are to “not” follow what they “do” when they are wrong, but He never said that they taught wrong.

Of course, if I’m wrong, I’ll welcome your correction with humility.

 

[2ndGen]

The fact remains they taught the corban rule so they couldn’t have been infallible. That plus they didn’t recognize Jesus.

They were not deemed fallible until Jesus’ death.

Up until that point Jesus never attacked their authority.

Do you have any scripture to support your belief that Jesus was wrong about their authority to teach and that they were to be adhered to by Jesus’ followers?

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

You know I had a thought about something Fred was saying.

If there is so much agreement and inter denominational minster filling in for one another ( which I find really hard to believe) then why not just merge the denominations. I mean if the Baptist minister is going to be able to preach at the Nazarene service then why have a different denomination? I have been around a lot of different Protestants and have never see or heard of a minister from one conduct the services of another.

 

[Pwrlftr]

They were not deemed fallible until Jesus’ death.

Up until that point Jesus never attacked their authority.

Do you have any scripture to support your belief that Jesus was wrong about their authority to teach and that they were to be adhered to by Jesus’ followers?

I haven’t denied that the Pharisees had authority, not once. But having authority doesn’t mean one is infallible.

If they were infallible until the death of Jesus, than why:
a.) Did they teach the corban rule?
b.) Why didn’t they recognize Jesus?

 

[whatisthetruth]

There are many Christians here who “don’t” believe how we believe and that’s great. Some come to challenge themselves. I admire them. I’d go to a Protestant site, but they always ban me and never for what I say, but for what I “ask”.

Wow sorry to here that 2ndGen, especially banned on something that was asked and not said

You have great moderators here. I received an infraction on something I should have been more careful on how I worded it.
the message sent was not the message intended.

But I answered the moderator immediately and we come to the understanding one of another.

truth

 

[2ndGen]

I’ve not seen where he has delivered a “theological spanking”, other than maybe in his own mind.

You must have missed it when he stated that the bible never stipulated that Jesus used unleaved bread for the last supper and that we could use any type of bread for the sacrament (while he insultingly called what Catholics used “Saltines” even though it’s Protestants who use crackers while Catholics use the same thing that Jesus used which he denied…unleavened bread).

So he was wrong to insult Catholics about Catholics using crackers for the Eucharist (when it was in fact his own religion that used Crackers).

He was wrong about Jesus using unleveaned bread for the Last Supper.

He was wrong to use leveaned bread.

He’s wrong all along…the real sadness of this all is that…

He’s a pastor!

With Christians following him!

:bigyikes:

 

[Namesake]

You must have missed it when he stated that the bible never stipulated that Jesus used unleaved bread for the last supper and that we could use any type of bread for the sacrament (while he insultingly called what Catholics used “Saltines” even though it’s Protestants who use crackers while Catholics use the same thing that Jesus used which he denied…unleavened bread).

So he was wrong to insult Catholics about Catholics using crackers for the Eucharist (when it was in fact his own religion that used Crackers).

He was wrong about Jesus using unleveaned bread for the Last Supper.

He was wrong to use leveaned bread.

He’s wrong all along…the real sadness of this all is that…

He’s a pastor!

With Christians following him!

:bigyikes:

That is not theology.

 

[2ndGen]

Like I said, most (including you) have been fine at least to me but there are a few…

Usually I give a few warnings and hit the ignore button.

Thank you.

I know I do get aggressive, but my sarcasm is in the nature of keeping the thread lighthearted and hopingly funny.

 

[2ndGen]

Other companies publish the NIV but at any rate, even if that weren’t so, it would make no difference as to the accuracy of the translation. If one were truly curious one could read the NIV published by HarperCollins and one published by another comapny and compare.

The company, HarperCollins publishes how many books? 10k, 100k, 1MM?

Regardless of their rather secular slant, why would that affect the contents of the translation since they weren’t the ones involved in translation process?

Would you buy a bible from The Church of Satan?

Probably not.

How could you purchase one from it’s publisher?

Only one company owns the NIV and that company has trusted the publishers of the Satanic bible to publish The NIV.

A person has to be completely twisted to trust it (especially with all the inconsistencies and the words and passages that were moved, deleted, added according to that Protestant website I visited).

 

[2ndGen]

The International Bible Society holds the copyright for the NIV

Who owns them?

 

[2ndGen]

2ndGen

It was a very nice Eulogy.

the problem with Fred was that no matter what you said to him he was set to fight not discuss. He would not acknowledge anything that was presented to him. It was sad.

I pray that some day he may open his heart. Even If he was to never come to the Church just to be able to see some other the truth and love of God and Christ that we share would truly be a blessing to him.

If he was as Christian as he was anti-Catholic, he’d be a tremendous Christian (and then not be anti-Catholic). It’s just zeal in the wrong direction.

He’s a goat.

 

[2ndGen]

You know I had a thought about something Fred was saying.

If there is so much agreement and inter denominational minster filling in for one another ( which I find really hard to believe) then why not just merge the denominations. I mean if the Baptist minister is going to be able to preach at the Nazarene service then why have a different denomination? I have been around a lot of different Protestants and have never see or heard of a minister from one conduct the services of another.

LOL!

I posted the same thing.

But unfortunately, he couldn’t respond to me as he was “indisposed” at the moment!

 

[2ndGen]

Wow sorry to here that 2ndGen, especially banned on something that was asked and not said

You have great moderators here. I received an infraction on something I should have been more careful on how I worded it.
the message sent was not the message intended.

But I answered the moderator immediately and we come to the understanding one of another.

truth

LOL!

I got two infractions my first two days and I’m super Catholic!

LOL!

Plus my little time out for being too aggressive with an anti-Catholic who insulted us.

 

[2ndGen]

I haven’t denied that the Pharisees had authority, not once. But having authority doesn’t mean one is infallible.

If they were infallible until the death of Jesus, than why:
a.) Did they teach the corban rule?
b.) Why didn’t they recognize Jesus?

They were infallible because Jesus wouldn’t tell His followers who trust Him to follow men that would lead them into error.

Always start with Jesus’ words then work your way back to the argument and you will find a truth you may have not noticed before.