If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

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Namesake said:
You explain this in a very modulated way and I commend you for that. You are exception on this site. Thank you so much and what you say makes a lot of sense. I wish others here could be so gracious.
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Thank you! :blushing: I will give much of my credit to my some of my religion professors in college, Dr. Ted Sri and Dr. Richard White. They are truly gifted in their study and understanding of His Word.
 
2ndGen said:
Have I?

But I notice it more when you prove them wrong.

They really become wrathful then.

Usually, I’d reply.

“Wow. That’s real ‘christian’ of you.”

But I just sent him a nice little video.

Did you like it?

😃
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Well, I haven’t watched it yet. I want to go to bed not mad.🙂
 
jkarp said:
This is a second time, you seem to be a rather hostile person, btw, this is akin to interrupting when someone is speaking to someone else, that message wasn’t even to you. There is a big difference between apologetical discussion / argument and bickering / name calling. If you want somebody to see your point of view, express your point of view in words, don’t try to shove it down their throat with a shovel.
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Are you referring to me?

If you are, he said
Up yours! :cool:
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to me.

I just pointed out to him that he shouldn’t be trying to pluck out the splinters in others’ eyes when he has a whoppin’ log in his.

And what do I get?

🤷

Judgement from you.

I guess you think it’s ok for him to say things like that.
 
jkarp said:
This is a second time, you seem to be a rather hostile person, btw, this is akin to interrupting when someone is speaking to someone else, that message wasn’t even to you. There is a big difference between apologetical discussion / argument and bickering / name calling. If you want somebody to see your point of view, express your point of view in words, don’t try to shove it down their throat with a shovel.
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This is an open forum, private messages can be pm’d. Name did the name-calling., calling Catholics deluded. 2nd Gen has been on this thread for quite a while.
 
I leave here for a little while and now the kids are fighting. Settle down, ya’ll…

One point, related to “theology” and the make up of communion.

Even if you feel it is symbolic, the symbol must be protected. Jesus first performed the act during his last passover meal. The passover meal was unleavened bread. Check Exodus on that if you want. Jesus used unleavened bread. If you want to keep the symbol, you should as well. If you do not, you lose the meaning of the act in its entirety. That meaning is the connection between the first passover and Jesus as the Lamb of God. See, in Communion, we have the unleavened bread and the wine, but no Lamb. Unless the Lamb is Christ. Even without a beleif in the Real Presence, this is theology and it is important.
 
ralphinal said:
I leave here for a little while and now the kids are fighting. Settle down, ya’ll…

One point, related to “theology” and the make up of communion.

Even if you feel it is symbolic, the symbol must be protected. Jesus first performed the act during his last passover meal. The passover meal was unleavened bread. Check Exodus on that if you want. Jesus used unleavened bread. If you want to keep the symbol, you should as well. If you do not, you lose the meaning of the act in its entirety. That meaning is the connection between the first passover and Jesus as the Lamb of God. See, in Communion, we have the unleavened bread and the wine, but no Lamb. Unless the Lamb is Christ. Even without a beleif in the Real Presence, this is theology and it is important.
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Speaking for myself,

whenever Jesus commands us to do something,

I take that as a teaching.

I dont’ see anything “symbolic” about “This is my flesh…”
 
2ndGen said:
Are you referring to me?

If you are, he said to me.

I just pointed out to him that he shouldn’t be trying to pluck out the splinters in others’ eyes when he has a whoppin’ log in his.

And what do I get?

🤷

Judgement from you.

I guess you think it’s ok for him to say things like that.
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Yes, I was referring to what your comment. His comment to you is none of my business, it is between him and you, just as what he said to me was between him and me; your interjection was unecessary and rather rude. If you want to come to a Catholic forum and believe that you have “got it all figured out” and that everyone is instantly going to see things your way, you are mistaken. Just as I wouldn’t expect to go to a protestant message board with some magical words that will smooth over 500+ years of disagreement instantly. If you truly believe that you have the truth then say so, but use well structured arguments rather than name calling.
 
2ndGen said:
Speaking for myself,

whenever Jesus commands us to do something,

I take that as a teaching.

I dont’ see anything “symbolic” about “This is my flesh…”
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You know good and well I don’t see it as symbolic, either. I am making a point that there is theology in it no matter how you see it.

The words used for “do this” are used in the bible in other places. They always refer to performing a sacrifice. “In memory of me” alwys means as a memorial. In other words, Jesus is saying to perform this memorial sacrifice for him. There is a sacrifice involved. Add to that John 6, and you get there. Also, as I posted earlier, we have the bread and wine, where is the Lamb? Oh yes, the Bread and Wine BECOME the Lamb. The passover meal is completed.
 
2ndGen said:
Are you referring to me?

If you are, he said to me.

I just pointed out to him that he shouldn’t be trying to pluck out the splinters in others’ eyes when he has a whoppin’ log in his.

And what do I get?

🤷

Judgement from you.

I guess you think it’s ok for him to say things like that.
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It’s late and I can’t keep my arguments and discussions straight, I just posted a response to someone else you and a response to you to someone else. Now I’m not sure who I have correctly replied to! 😛 I’m going to go to bed and continue this discussion tomorrow.
 
jkarp said:
Yes, I was referring to what your comment. His comment to you is none of my business, it is between him and you, just as what he said to me was between him and me; your interjection was unecessary and rather rude. If you want to come to a Catholic forum and believe that you have “got it all figured out” and that everyone is instantly going to see things your way, you are mistaken. Just as I wouldn’t expect to go to a protestant message board with some magical words that will smooth over 500+ years of disagreement instantly. If you truly believe that you have the truth then say so, but use well structured arguments rather than name calling.
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First of all, allow me to define the word “forum” (then figure it out for yourself):

fo·rum
  1. The public square or marketplace of an ancient Roman city that was the assembly place for judicial activity and public business.
  2. A public meeting place for open discussion.
  3. A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website.
  4. A public meeting or presentation involving a discussion usually among experts and often including audience participation.
  5. A court of law; a tribunal.
Now, being that this is A medium for open discussion or voicing of ideas, such as a newspaper, a radio or television program, or a website, I think that I have the right and the freedom to say what I want to.

And secondly, what I just said to him (according to your standards) is “our” business, so by trying to interject yourself into our exchange, you are guilty of the same infraction you cite me with.

Now, if you want to be friends with the Catholic Insulter, by all means. Go right ahead, but just try to remember that we are not in Russia and we all have the right to say whatever we want on an “open forum”.

Of course, you two can go private if you want to keep your messages a (shhh!) secret.
 
ralphinal said:
You know good and well I don’t see it as symbolic, either. I am making a point that there is theology in it no matter how you see it.

The words used for “do this” are used in the bible in other places. They always refer to performing a sacrifice. “In memory of me” alwys means as a memorial. In other words, Jesus is saying to perform this memorial sacrifice for him. There is a sacrifice involved. Add to that John 6, and you get there. Also, as I posted earlier, we have the bread and wine, where is the Lamb? Oh yes, the Bread and Wine BECOME the Lamb. The passover meal is completed.
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Wasn’t referring to you brother, but to someone who said it was symbollic.

😃
 
jkarp said:
It’s late and I can’t keep my arguments and discussions straight, I just posted a response to someone else you and a response to you to someone else. Now I’m not sure who I have correctly replied to! 😛 I’m going to go to bed and continue this discussion tomorrow.
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Well, I’m glad about that! Good night:)
 
Namesake said:
That’s OK for Catholics. But I don’t believe that at all. It’s a symbol of our dedication to follow Christ. We don’t eat our God! We do that in remembrance. We do not crucify Him every day!:cool:
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Here you show how little you understand of both the Word of God and the teaching of the Catholic Church.

Have a careful reading of this and then let’s talk because it covers the scriptures as well as the authentic teachings of the ECF. The Eucharist IS Scriptural

I see it this way, if what one believes does not conform to those two things, then I say that the modern belief that opposes it is in error. You may not believe it now… but tat does not mean that your belief is either well informed or in line with that which we know that the early church taught.

So… since they are closer to source…who is more likely to be in error?
 
mgrfin said:
I dont believe that He formed man out of clay, and Eve from a rib belonging to Adam. It could have happened this way, but there is no scientific evidence of it.

peace
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Wow mgrfin, you managed to shock me. Even when I was catholic I believed God created Adam and eve as told in
Genesis 2:7 21,22
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
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21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
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**Just curious, do you believe Jonah survived 3 days in the belly of a great fish? **
Jonah 1:17
But the LORD provided a great fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was inside the fish three days and three nights.
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**Do you believe the story of moses and the parting of the red sea?

Did you believe the parting of another body of water?**

I did not understand how, but I accepted them as true because they were in God’s word the bible, and I was not about to doubt anything God said happened.

You may ask me how do I know that the words in the bible are God’s words?

Only thing I can say is by faith and trust.

mgrfin, if you doubt the bible,
how do you know Jesus said "you are Peter and upon this rock I build my church?

Why do you not accept that everything in the bible as absolute truth?
and only offer at best,
It could have happened this way, but there is no scientific evidence of it. These were simple stories for simple people.
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My question to you is

what is preventing you to have blind faith like I do and claim on your next post to me that everything, and I mean, everything in the bible

from the

first word of the first chapter in Genesis

to the

last word of the last chapter in revelation

Is the absolute truth?

And declare that,

"I believe all the events in the bible happened just the way they were told?

By the way, I did answer your challenge about me not being a catholic in #269 as you requested,
I guess you missed it because in #332, you asked me again.
then in #375 I asked you “did you notice #269”, I guess you missed that one too.

I look forward to **your response to #269 **and ***to the the questions I pose on this post ***with the same request you offered to me.
**Now, tell us the truth - no fudging, no lying, no dissimulation. No hiding, like a lot of protestant apologists do on this site.
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What else can you tell us about this**
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thank you

God bless you

truth
 
Namesake said:
That’s OK for Catholics. But I don’t believe that at all. It’s a symbol of our dedication to follow Christ. We don’t eat our God! We do that in remembrance. We do not crucify Him every day!:cool:
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Do you just make this stuff up as you go along. You have obviously no idea what you are talking about when it comes to the Catholic religion. Instead of listening to lies about the Catholic Church and then repeating them, do your research. You can start by reading the heresies addressed by the Catholic Church in the first, second and third century.

There is no truth in what you wrote. Are you familiar with the Commandment regarding , “bearing false witness”?

Where did you get this false information from? Post your sources here. Let’s see the facts. You know nothing about the Catholic faith, Stop!

I’ll pray for you.
 
Turns out, he’s part of some “cult” Christian church.

I think it’s called Cavalry Chapel.

Supposedly, he’s a “pastor” (at least he fetches the leavened bread for their rituals).
 
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