If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

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Shoot! I hope I didn’t reply to a subject not germane to me.

I can see the original subject is why if you are Christian, out of the umpteen dozen Christian religions, you don’t choose Catholicism.

Since “intelligent designer” is the “label” that I think best describes me, just ignore above if it’s not relevant to the discussion.

You just got me thinking.

 

[Jimmy_B]

“Love” has nothing to do with martyrdom and is not unique to the early Christians. Faith, testimony, witness, and no way to avoid it are the more usual reasons for martyrdom.
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Wrong, “love” has everything to do with it. It’s official; you have no I idea what you are talking about and no nothing of Catholicism or Christianity.

Please provide real facts with reliable sources and show us your sources. I would really like to know the process that you use to form your opinions.

Instead of constantly bashing the Catholic Church and trying to “connect the dots”, which will never occur, when using bad information, why don’t you actually “connect the dots”, using credible facts and reliable sources?

Will you ever provide a detailed defense of your positions here or are you going to continue to make things up and continue to “cut and paste” from unreliable sources and post them here with the sole purpose of insulting Catholics?

Are you capable of doing that or would that interfere with your personal agenda to continue to slander the Roman Catholic Church and promote your own personal agenda?

Note: I have read your other posts here at CAF.

 

[Jimmy_B]

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posted - “Love” has nothing to do with martyrdom and is not unique to the early Christians. Faith, testimony, witness, and no way to avoid it are the more usual reasons for martyrdom.

The current martyrs and the suicide martyrs all over the middle east, who die for Islam and Al-Quaida.

Most religions have had many martyrs in their midst–the Protestants in Europe burned and otherwise horribly martyred by your church, The Buddhists, killed by the hundreds of thousands by Islam in its expansion phase, Jews throughout their history, Hindus slaughtered by the Moslems and visa versa.**

Wrong, “love” has everything to do with it. It’s official; you have no I idea what you are talking about and no nothing of Catholicism or Christianity.

Please provide real facts with reliable sources and show us your sources. I would really like to know the process that you use to form your opinions.

Instead of constantly bashing the Catholic Church and trying to “connect the dots”, which will never occur, when using bad information, why don’t you actually “connect the dots”, using credible facts and reliable sources?

Will you ever provide a detailed defense of your positions here or are you going to continue to make things up and continue to “cut and paste” from unreliable sources and post them here with the sole purpose of insulting Catholics?

Are you capable of doing that or would that interfere with your personal agenda to continue to slander the Roman Catholic Church and promote your own personal agenda?

Note: I have read your other posts here at CAF.

 

[Huguenot]

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[Huguenot]

Praise God! Maybe you are more Catholic than you realize?

This is very respectful of you, and I admire this a lot.

You are so right about this. I wish more “catholics” had your piety and respect for the sacrament. :bowdown2: Instead, they commit sacriledge, and bring condemnation upon themselves. I know, becuase I did it myself for years.

This is SO AWESOME!!

Yes, this would be the right thing to do.

Have you considered attending RCIA, to resolve the doctrinal issues? Does being on CAF help any with those? I have learned a great deal about my faith since I came here.

I don’t know what RCIA means …
some Catholics on this forum have considered me an “enemy” ever since I’ve come , simply because I am a Protestant : that’s why I stopped posting here for about a year , maybe more …
and I still feel the same way with SOME Catholics, some give me very tough answers that don’t even correspond to what I 've said, as if they were continuing with ME an argument they have started with ANOTHER Protestant …
I’ve always said I’m not anti-Catholic, I’m NOT a Catholic, that’s not the same …
and there are too many doctrinal differences… but maybe because before I was an atheist ( and the rest of my family still are ), I have a tendency to see all I can do with Catholics rather than what I can’t do

 

[guanophore]

“Love” has nothing to do with martyrdom and is not unique to the early Christians. Faith, testimony, witness, and no way to avoid it are the more usual reasons for martyrdom.

The current martyrs and the suicide martyrs all over the middle east, who die for Islam and Al-Quaida.

Most religions have had many martyrs in their midst–the Protestants in Europe burned and otherwise horribly martyred by your church, The Buddhists, killed by the hundreds of thousands by Islam in its expansion phase, Jews throughout their history, Hindus slaughtered by the Moslems and visa versa.

I think this is not right. I don’t think that Christian martyrs can be compared to Islamic martyrs. Christian martyrs, whether Protestant or Catholic, die for Love of their Lord. Yes, faith, testimony and witness are all part of that, but Christians do not die as a method to testify and witness to their faith. this is not Christian teaching. Christians give witness to their faith by their love for one another, and unity. It is true that some are martyred for their faith, but not primarily as a form of witness. They become witnesses to their faith through martyrdom as a consequence of their love.

Discourse on the motives of jihadis will be too far off topc here.

 

[guanophore]

I don’t know what RCIA means …

Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults - the normal program for preparation to enter Catholicism. Composed of classes and experiences resulting in full communion.

some Catholics on this forum have considered me an “enemy” ever since I’ve come , simply because I am a Protestant : that’s why I stopped posting here for about a year , maybe more …

I have read a great number of your posts, and I don’t think it has anything to do with being Protestant. I think you do not have a correct understanding of Catholicism, and have made some hostile and bigoted remarks about the Catholic Church. I don’t consider you an “enemy” though.:hug3:

and I still feel the same way with SOME Catholics, some give me very tough answers that don’t even correspond to what I 've said, as if they were continuing with ME an argument they have started with ANOTHER Protestant …

I have seen this too.

I’ve always said I’m not anti-Catholic, I’m NOT a Catholic, that’s not the same …
and there are too many doctrinal differences… but maybe because before I was an atheist ( and the rest of my family still are ), I have a tendency to see all I can do with Catholics rather than what I can’t do

Perhaps if you can bear with CAF, some of those differences will be surmounted?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Jimmy B;3322791:

Well I’ll pray for you, you’ll make a good Protestant
I just feel like joking today … no offense intended …

I like you** Huguenot,** you can’t offend me…

I checked the weather forecast where all the former athiests now live and it hasnt “frozen over yet”, so yep… I’m still Catholic…:dancing:

 

[Huguenot]

Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults - the normal program for preparation to enter Catholicism. Composed of classes and experiences resulting in full communion.

I have read a great number of your posts, and I don’t think it has anything to do with being Protestant. I think you do not have a correct understanding of Catholicism, and have made some hostile and bigoted remarks about the Catholic Church. I don’t consider you an “enemy” though.:hug3:

I have seen this too.

Perhaps if you can bear with CAF, some of those differences will be surmounted?

But I don’t intend to convert, so I don’t think RCIA would be good for me …
I don’t remember doing “bigoted” and “hostile” remarks about the Catholic Church in general, but maybe you consider any criticism ( disagreement ) with a Catholic doctrine “hostile” and “bigoted”, I don’t know … on a discussion forum we should be able to say what we really think as long as we are polite …So when it comes to things that separate us I will also mention them, as I mentioned things I agree with in the post you answered in this thread …
I like coming to the Catholic Church for a cuddle now and then

 

[Huguenot]

Huguenot;3325959:

I like you** Huguenot,**

you can’t offend me…

I checked the weather forecast where all the former athiests now live and it hasnt “frozen over yet”, so yep… I’m still Catholic…:dancing:

and I like you too … moreover if Brousseau is your real name it sounds very … French !:!!!:coffeeread:

 

[peary]

The real reason I cannot be Catholic is because of a closed Eucharist to baptized Christians. I do know all of the reasons - and I’ve never been able to reconcile them theologically, particularly with those who embrace the Real Presence.

O+

Early Christians and hundreds of thousands of Catholic martyrs in both east and west have died for their belief in the Eucharistic presence. If some baptized Christian protestants reject the Eucharist, why should they receive something of which they do not believe? That’s not logical.

 

[paarsurrey]

Hi

I am an Ahmadi Muslim. I believe that in Quran all good and peaceful teachings of all the revealed religions have been included. If I am a good Muslim; that automatically means I am a good follower of Moses, Krishna, Abraham, Zoroaster and Jesus etc; all ProphetsMessenger of GodAllahYHWH merge into the person of Muhammad as all revealed scriptures merge into Quran.

So, there is complete peace ,unity and harmony; no real differences at all. If someone sees a difference in me, that might be perhaps his perceptions fall short of time and space; which could be corrected through peaceful dialogue with reasonable, rational and logical arguments.

Thanks

 

[peary]

The faith may not line up with your perceptions of scripture, ja4. Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures. This is a very modern error. Besides, I thought it was the insistence that leaders be able to have sex that was keeping you out?

 

[onmyknees]

onmyknees: Hope you have a great weekend in quite prayer & meditation. I’ve been traveling & just got home. Lots of posts since last week so I hope I’m not repeating or off-key with this.

Not sure what you mean by deterrent (I bold-ed it in your quote). If you mean the deterrent to sin with habitual “offenders” of God’s law [and I’m not an expert on what God says or thinks!] relative to confession, I believe that true contrition and firm resolution to sin no more come into play.

To be forgiven in a sacramental confession, one must be truly sorry for having offended God. Additionally, one must have a firm purpose of amendment (to not sin again). If someone did not meet this standard, it is my understanding that their sins are not forgiven. In your example of contraception, it would be tough to meet this standard [standard is probably NOT the correct term] if they intended to continue using contraception. You may want to validate this by discussing it with your priest.

There are no doubt circumstances where someone sins, is truly sorry and intends to not sin again; but they fall into the same sin. I guess that only God knows what is in a person’s heart.

It would seem that the real deterrent is the knowledge that Hell is a very real place and real people go there. God won’t condemn anyone to Hell, people condemn themselves when they turn away from him.

If you are answering another post, forgive me. If not, I hope this helps.

Hi D317
Yes, I was answering Marietta’s post when she asked where is the deterrent for repeat offenders (especially contraception) when one can confess and be forgiven again and again.
I agree with you that one deterrent would be that you have to be contrite and have a firm purpose of amendment before you can be forgiven. And I meant that being in mortal sin (contraception) is a deterrent because of the possibility of going to hell. And I also meant that not being able to receive the Eucharist due to mortal sin was another deterrent.

 

[peary]

This is just militant feminism at it’s peak. It is prejudice against males. Does your dentist have to have a mouth full of fillings to be qualified to give you one? Does your surgeon have to have some organs taken out to qualify him to do yours?

**Does Hillary have the experience to be president just because she is marrried to one who was? **

 

[justasking4]

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Theological reasons. Much of the catholic faith doesn’t line up with Scripture and goes far beyond it. The marian doctrines and pracitces are a case in point and one of the most blatant examples.

guanophore
The faith may not line up with your perceptions of scripture, ja4. Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures. This is a very modern error.

Not sure what you mean when you say “Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures”. Where does Jesus teach or His apostles would be the limitations of it?

Besides, I thought it was the insistence that leaders be able to have sex that was keeping you out?

Never said that as i recall—

 

[guanophore]

Not sure what you mean when you say “Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures”. Where does Jesus teach or His apostles would be the limitations of it?

I don’t recall that He taught any. In fact, what they preached was a Kingdom without end. Christianity is based on the Teaching of Christ, not the scriptures. While the scriptures do reflect some of Jesus teaching, they do not contain all of it. The part that they do contain ALL came from Sacred Tradition.

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3343737]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Not sure what you mean when you say “Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures”. Where does Jesus teach or His apostles would be the limitations of it?

guanophore
I don’t recall that He taught any. In fact, what they preached was a Kingdom without end. Christianity is based on the Teaching of Christ, not the scriptures.

How can you have Christianity without the Scriptures? All that we know of what Christ taught can only be found in them.

Secondly if you read the letters you will find many examples of “limitations” being put on Christianity. In fact to go beyond these “limitations” was considered to be false teachings.

While the scriptures do reflect some of Jesus teaching, they do not contain all of it. The part that they do contain ALL came from Sacred Tradition.

Again we come to this. I’m going to ask you again but i don’t expect a clear answer. What these “other teachings” of Jesus that are not in Scripture but in Sacred Tradiiton? How do you know these things are Jesus’ teachings?

 

[guanophore]

How can you have Christianity without the Scriptures? All that we know of what Christ taught can only be found in them.

Please speak for yourself, ja4, or enlighted us as to who the “we” are that are with you? Christ brought us Christianity, and it is found in His person. The scriptures speak about Him, but it is to Him we must come to find eternal life. Fortunately, we know much more about what Christ taught than what is found in the scriptures. He intended for His message to be taught person to person, and that is the way He set up the Church. He did not call his Apostles to write books, but to “teach all that I have commanded”. As Paul writes, the believers are a living epistle.

Secondly if you read the letters you will find many examples of “limitations” being put on Christianity. In fact to go beyond these “limitations” was considered to be false teachings.

The warnings are about keeping right doctrine, and that doctrine is found in Sacred tradition. The limitations that were written about were going outside the Sacred Traditions. Many of these were later committed to writing, but that does not erase the Sacred Tradition that produced the Holy Writings.

Again we come to this. I’m going to ask you again but i don’t expect a clear answer. What these “other teachings” of Jesus that are not in Scripture but in Sacred Tradiiton? How do you know these things are Jesus’ teachings?

I know they are Jesus’ teachings because Jesus told the Apostles that He would send His spirit who would guide them into all truth. He promised that the gates of hell would not previal. If the Church taught error, then Jesus lied about the Spirit, or He was too weak, and allowed hell to overcome the church.

It is difficult for you to see something clearly that you cannot see in scripture. Your perspective is so limited that many of these things are apparently invisible to you. From Sacred Tradition we got the New testament canon, the concept of the hypostatic union, the term Trinity, and our triune formulation of God. We have the Apostolic Succession, Sunday worship, The Apostles Creed and hundreds of other practices, and disciplines such as celibate clergy, veneration of the saints etc.

You pick and choose which of these Sacred Traditions you wish to keep, and which to throw away. Catholics accept them all because Jesus said “he who hears you, hears me”.

 

[Jimmy_B]

But I don’t intend to convert, so I don’t think RCIA would be good for me …
I don’t remember doing “bigoted” and “hostile” remarks about the Catholic Church in general, but maybe you consider any criticism ( disagreement ) with a Catholic doctrine “hostile” and “bigoted”, I don’t know … on a discussion forum we should be able to say what we really think as long as we are polite …So when it comes to things that separate us I will also mention them, as I mentioned things I agree with in the post you answered in this thread …
I like coming to the Catholic Church for a cuddle now and then

Hello Huguenot,

I’m curious, if you a planning on converting to Catholicism, then why wouldn’t RCIA be good for you? Isn’t this a requirement for adults wishing to convert to Catholicism?

Take Care