If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[Huguenot]

Hello Huguenot,

I’m curious, if you a planning on converting to Catholicism, then why wouldn’t RCIA be good for you? Isn’t this a requirement for adults wishing to convert to Catholicism?

Take Care

But, Jimmy with a beautiful French name, I said I DON’T intend to convert to Catholicism …
But I like “visiting” you from time to time …
creep in under the nice and warm blanket of the Catholic Church and have a nap with you …
and a cuddle …:grouphug:

 

[peary]

*Originally Posted by *marietta **
Are Catholics the only ones who can go to Heaven?

**The Church teaches that those who have had a valid baptism and participate in the Christian life to the best of their ability no matter the denomination is worthy of salvation if they are not aware that outside of the Catholic Church there is no salvation.

The Church also teaches that if a nonChristian practices his or her religion in good moral conscience, he or she may also be worthy of salvation for the same reason noted above.

As for heaven, well, that’s an individual matter between oneself and God. Hopefully, God’s grace will lead one in that direction.**

 

[Jimmy_B]

Is there anyone here at CAF the disagrees with this?

Nine ways of being an accessory to another’s sin.

1.By Counsel
2.By Command
3.By Consent
4.By Concealment
5.By Defense of Evil Done
6.By Partaking
7.By Provocation
8.By Praise
9.By Silence

 

[Jimmy_B]

Praying for the dead in purgatory 2 Mac.12:44-45.
Prayers for the saints Rev. 5:8
Oral tradition handed down from the apostles:John 21:25
Confession John 20:21-23
An example of purgatory 1Cor.3:15
Confirmation Acts 2:1-41 Pentecost receiving the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
Holy Eucharist(The Real Presence of Jesus) John 6:48-56
Mary our Mother John 19:27
Mary Queen of Heaven Rev. 12:
Mary conceived without sin Luke 1:26-48 Mary full of grace.(Full of grace means you are without sin. Mary was the first tabernacle for Jesus. Do you think Jesus would want to dwell in someone who was not clean?
Anointing of the sick James 5:15-16
The Church’s authority is guided by the Holy Spirit John 16:12

You wanted scripture quotes.

 

[Jimmy_B]

To be honest, I think that most people just are lied to about the Church. Most protestants, honesty believe that their form of worship is how Christianity has always been and that Catholics are a cult.

“Athanasius, pass the grape juice!”

No seriously, it’d be funny if it weren’t so sad, but it’s true.

Then you have the liberals, who hate us for more honest reasons. We’re in a cultural no-mans land, especially in America.

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3343737]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Not sure what you mean when you say “Christainity was never intended to be limited to the scriptures”. Where does Jesus teach or His apostles would be the limitations of it?

guanophore
I don’t recall that He taught any. In fact, what they preached was a Kingdom without end. Christianity is based on the Teaching of Christ, not the scriptures. While the scriptures do reflect some of Jesus teaching, they do not contain all of it. The part that they do contain ALL came from Sacred Tradition.

Are all the teachings of the catholic church the teachings of Jesus? If they are, then it follows then that they are also inspired-inerrant just as the Scriptures are. Are you willing to claim this? Are you willing to say your catechism book is also inspired-inerrant?

 

[guanophore]

Are all the teachings of the catholic church the teachings of Jesus? If they are, then it follows then that they are also inspired-inerrant just as the Scriptures are. Are you willing to claim this? Are you willing to say your catechism book is also inspired-inerrant?

The Catholic Church contains the Teaching of Jesus, which is inspired-inerrant, because it comes from Jesus. The catechism is an attempt to bring this Teaching to the modern era. It is not considered to be on the level of scripture, although it does contain and make reference to a lot of scripture. The Church also teaches disciplines and devotions, which are not considered doctrinally binding.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The Catholic Church contains the Teaching of Jesus, which is inspired-inerrant, because it comes from Jesus. The catechism is an attempt to bring this Teaching to the modern era. It is not considered to be on the level of scripture, although it does contain and make reference to a lot of scripture. The Church also teaches disciplines and devotions, which are not considered doctrinally binding.

Great post and I agree,

I just wanted to add that the Roman Catholic Church does not decide or create Catholic (Christian) doctrine, it defines it…

God Bless You

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3382623]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Are all the teachings of the catholic church the teachings of Jesus? If they are, then it follows then that they are also inspired-inerrant just as the Scriptures are. Are you willing to claim this? Are you willing to say your catechism book is also inspired-inerrant?

guanophore
The Catholic Church contains the Teaching of Jesus, which is inspired-inerrant, because it comes from Jesus. The catechism is an attempt to bring this Teaching to the modern era. It is not considered to be on the level of scripture, although it does contain and make reference to a lot of scripture.

Are you claiming that the catechism is the work of Christ? Is it the “Teaching of Jesus”?

Is there any document or pronouncement in the catholic church that is considered inspired-inerrant?

The Church also teaches disciplines and devotions, which are not considered doctrinally binding.

Are these doctrines “are not considered doctrinally binding” true though?

 

[guanophore]

Are you claiming that the catechism is the work of Christ? Is it the “Teaching of Jesus”?

No. I think if you read what I wrote you will see that is not what I said. It seems that you are so quick to look for a chance to find fault that you are not paying attention.

Is there any document or pronouncement in the catholic church that is considered inspired-inerrant?

Absolutely! Starting with the New Testament!

Are these doctrines “are not considered doctrinally binding” true though?

You are confusing disciplines and devotions with doctrines, ja4. Read what I wrote. Disciples and devotions change, doctrine does not. What would happen if you decided it would be ok for other Christians to practice their faith differently than you do?

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3386167]
Originally Posted by justasking4
Are you claiming that the catechism is the work of Christ? Is it the “Teaching of Jesus”?

guanophore
No. I think if you read what I wrote you will see that is not what I said. It seems that you are so quick to look for a chance to find fault that you are not paying attention.

Since we don’t communicate verbally and can ask for clarifications as in a verbal conversation i must ask these kinds of questions so that i don’t misunderstand you and others and make comments about something you and others don’t really believe. You and others at times are saying things that go beyond what i’m used to hearing and i want to be clear what you mean.

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Is there any document or pronouncement in the catholic church that is considered inspired-inerrant?

guanophore
Absolutely! Starting with the New Testament!

What about after the NT?

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Are these doctrines “are not considered doctrinally binding” true though?

guanophore
You are confusing disciplines and devotions with doctrines, ja4. Read what I wrote. Disciples and devotions change, doctrine does not. What would happen if you decided it would be ok for other Christians to practice their faith differently than you do?

What is the doctrine for the hymns to Mary and the promises of the Brown scapular?
What is the doctrine that forbids a catholic not to eat meat on Fridays during the 1950’s for example?

 

[guanophore]

Since we don’t communicate verbally and can ask for clarifications as in a verbal conversation i must ask these kinds of questions so that i don’t misunderstand you and others and make comments about something you and others don’t really believe. You and others at times are saying things that go beyond what i’m used to hearing and i want to be clear what you mean.

I think it is clear, in reading what I wrote, that your question is answered. I cannot think of a way to write it differently.

What about after the NT?

Decisions of the councils that have been led by the HS into doctrinal pronouncements are considered infallible.

What is the doctrine for the hymns to Mary and the promises of the Brown scapular?

There is no such thing.

What is the doctrine that forbids a catholic not to eat meat on Fridays during the 1950’s for example?

This does not exist either.

 

[justasking4]

guanophore;3387237]
Originally Posted by justasking4
What about after the NT?

guanophore
Decisions of the councils that have been led by the HS into doctrinal pronouncements are considered infallible.

Are they considered inspired-inerrant?

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Originally Posted by justasking4
What is the doctrine for the hymns to Mary and the promises of the Brown scapular?

guanophore
There is no such thing.

There has to be for these things. They just did not appear without some reason.

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Originally Posted by justasking4
What is the doctrine that forbids a catholic not to eat meat on Fridays during the 1950’s for example?

guanophore
This does not exist either.

Here is what i found on Jimmy Atkins blog on this:
Meat On Lenten Fridays: A Mortal Sin?
(Jimmy Akin)

A common question at this time of year is whether or not deliberately violating the law of abstinence is a mortal sin. It is. The relevant law is found in Paul VI’s 1966 apostolic constitution Paenitemini, which provides that:

The time of Lent preserves its penitential character. The days of penitence to be observed under obligation through-out the Church are all Fridays and Ash Wednesday, that is to say the first days of “Grande Quaresima” (Great Lent), according to the diversity of the rite. Their substantial observance binds gravely [Norm II §1, emphasis added].
That the keeping of abstinence (and fast on Ash Wednesday and Good Friday) is part of the substantial observance of these days is evident from the fact that the second half of Norm II names this as the chief requirement of observing these days:
Apart from the faculties referred to in VI and VIII regarding the manner of fulfilling the precept of penitence on such days, abstinence is to be observed on every Friday which does not fall on a day of obligation, while abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday or, according to local practice, on the first day of ‘Great Lent’ and on Good Friday [Norm II §2, emphasis added].
The faculties mentioned “regarding the manner of fulfilling the precept of penitence on such days” have to do with the ability of pastors to dispense the faithful from the obligation of abstinence and fast or commuting it to something else. If such dispensation or commutation is not obtained then “the manner of fulfilling the precept” is abstinence.
Thus one must substantially observe the law of abstinence on such days, and the obligation to do so is a grave one, meaning that it satisfies the condition of grave matter required for mortal sin. If one knowingly and deliberately fails in this obligation then one has committed mortal sin.

As you can see this is based on doctrine and to violate it back then was such a serious matter that if a catholic died after eating meat on a Friday he-she would be condemned to hell.

 

[guanophore]

Are they considered inspired-inerrant?

Actions of people are considered infallible in such cases.
justasking4;33 88647:

There has to be for these things. They just did not appear without some reason.

Oh, I am sure there are reasons.
" justasking4:

What is the doctrine for the hymns to Mary and the promises of the Brown scapular?

These are not doctrines, but private devotions.

Here is what i found on Jimmy Atkins blog on this:
Meat On Lenten Fridays: A Mortal Sin?
(Jimmy Akin)

As you can see this is based on doctrine and to violate it back then was such a serious matter that if a catholic died after eating meat on a Friday he-she would be condemned to hell.

That is not for us to decide, ja4. Only God knows the heart of a person, and only He can judge their eternal destiny. You are confusing disciplines with doctrines. They are not on the same level.

Yes, the practices of fasting are based on doctrine. Do you not have any fasting practices?

 

[Singinbeauty]

Why am I not catholic?

I grew up non-denom and believe that I am where God wants me (church-wise, spiritual-wise - I have a bit more to go before I am where He wants me!). I believe that God has charged me to be part of the movement to stop the violence and fighting between christians and focus on the lost of this world!

How are we going to answer Him on judgement day when He asks why we focused on spreading the news within our family, to those who already know Him, when there were so many that desperately needed to hear about Him all around us?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Why am I not catholic?

• I have a bit more to go before I am where He wants me…

So do I, God Bless You…

 

[justasking4]

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Originally Posted by justasking4
Are they considered inspired-inerrant?

guanophore
Actions of people are considered infallible in such cases.

Are the documents produced by the councils considered inspired-inerrant?

Quote:
Originally Posted by justasking4;33 88647
There has to be for these things. They just did not appear without some reason.

guanophore
Oh, I am sure there are reasons.

What do you think they are?

Quote:
Originally Posted by justasking4
What is the doctrine for the hymns to Mary and the promises of the Brown scapular?

guanophore
These are not doctrines, but private devotions.

But these devotions are based on some understanding of some doctrine in the catholic church otherwise they would be considered superstitions. Is this not true?

Quote:

Originally Posted by justasking4
Here is what i found on Jimmy Atkins blog on this:
Meat On Lenten Fridays: A Mortal Sin?
(Jimmy Akin)
Meat On Lenten Fridays: A Mortal Sin?
(Jimmy Akin)

As you can see this is based on doctrine and to violate it back then was such a serious matter that if a catholic died after eating meat on a Friday he-she would be condemned to hell.

guanophore
That is not for us to decide, ja4. Only God knows the heart of a person, and only He can judge their eternal destiny. You are confusing disciplines with doctrines. They are not on the same level.

Your church taught that if a catholic ate meat on Fridays in the 50’s would be guilty of a mortal sin. Does not your church teach that if you die with mortal sin on your soul you will go to hell?

Is this warning still true for lent? If you eat meat on Friday during lent it is a mortal sin?

Yes, the practices of fasting are based on doctrine. Do you not have any fasting practices?

Yes. However there is no such warning that if you break the fast for some reason you are sinning.

 

[guanophore]

Are the documents produced by the councils considered inspired-inerrant?

This is a very good question, which I do not think I am not qualified to answer.

But these devotions are based on some understanding of some doctrine in the catholic church otherwise they would be considered superstitions. Is this not true?

Yes. These devotions are based on the Teachings of Jesus.

Your church taught that if a catholic ate meat on Fridays in the 50’s would be guilty of a mortal sin. Does not your church teach that if you die with mortal sin on your soul you will go to hell?

ja4, questions phrased like this seem to indicate that your goal is to introduce divisiveness. There is no “your church” as you seem to indicate. On the contrary, there is only One Church, which is the Body of Christ. which is that which you persecute.

Yes, the Teaching of Jesus is that, if a person dies in a state of mortal sin, one is eternally separated from God, by their own choice.

 Is this warning still true for lent? If you eat meat on Friday during lent it is a mortal sin?

The observance of the fasts are disciplinary matters. They differ according to Rite.

Yes. However there is no such warning that if you break the fast for some reason you are sinning.

 

[onmyknees]

justasking4
I just wanted to add that for a sin to be mortal, it must have these three things. It is grave(serious matter), the person must know that it is grave matter, and the person has to have full consent of his will. When a person eats meat on a Friday in Lent it is grave matter because it is a discipline of the Church. If the person forgets and eats meat, or if someone forces him to eat meat, or if he doesn't know that it is grave matter and eats meat than he doesn't sin.

 

[tonnnie2008]

**Why aren’t you Catholic? Tell the truth. **

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I found that being a Roman Catholic, in many was is similar to being a Los Angeles Police Officer. It adds structure to your life. A lot of people, usually the bad ones, don’t like you. There are a lot of rules. It can be humbling at times, and it requires some personal sacrifice. You are absolutely expected to be honest and tell the truth. You have to place the care for others before yourself. There is a chain of command and you are held to a higher standard of conduct, in your personal and professional life (both on-duty and off). And a Los Angeles Police Officer is expected to avoid, even the *“appearance of evil”, *I’m not making this up…

I doesn’t sound easy does it? Then again neither is being a Roman Catholic and there is where the pride can be found.

It beats being a criminal, don’t you think?

I can only speak for myself when i answer, not for others. Personally i do not believe Jesus meant for there to be so much segragation among believers. He did not want all these different denominations floating around saying each one is better than that and such. No i think its sad that we all cant unite into one body. We would not be divided therefore we would stand together strong as one body in Christ thats my dream…I do not hate or dislike other denominations I just don’t understand why so much division I mean we all want the same thing right to know God Seek Him. See there is only one God, But there is so many different segregations among His People. That is the ultimate plan of the enemy to keep us seperate so we will stay divided, so we can not defeat Him as we should as a body…Also please dont get offended, but i do not believe any one else should be prayed to accept the one true God. So I personally don’t pray to the saints they are not God.(Jesus) But i do not judge others who do… I will not pass judgement/… I do love and appreciate the saints and the angles Michael and such. But the bible says not to fall down and worship the angels either because they are not worthy. Only the One who died on the cross. He is worthy!!! But having said all that i love the catholics, I love Baptist, I love all those Pentecost , All we are suppose to love all and judge none!!!