If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[mgrfin]

Calling me ‘uncharitable’ is not charitable.

You are the one who said the Catholic Church is the one true Church, yet, you find reasons for not belonging to it.

I have too much logic or intelligence to understand how you can discard the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ, knowing it is the true Church.

You make no sense.

peace

 

[oneGODoneCHURCH]

hi oneGodonechurch this is fbl9 i have to agree most sincerely with your last two paragraghs. pride is one of our,i mean all christians, greatest enemy. which would have to over come if there is to be any unity. may God help us amen.

Thank you> I do pray that unity is one day possible.

 

[O.S.Luke]

You give off an aire of trying to be Catholic without giving up your Protestant Methodism. We both know that Methodists do not have a Sacrament of Penance. It’s just a generalized confession of sins during the service similar to the Rite of Penance in Catholic Liturgies.

We define “Catholic” in different ways, I suspect. Other than that, no argument. I have not tried to represent otherwise.

I still can’t fathom how you consider Methodism as having Apostolic succession, considering how parts are contrary to the Apostolic Faith. Can you further explain this? I think you probably weren’t able to go into it with as much detail as you would have liked.

I said we were an apostolic church. I didn’t say we had apostolic succession - mainly, because I already know your answer to that. Obviously, I disagree.

Again - what point do these conversations really have? My responses are going to be wrong to you.

 

[O.S.Luke]

Calling me ‘uncharitable’ is not charitable.

You are the one who said the Catholic Church is the one true Church, yet, you find reasons for not belonging to it.

I have too much logic or intelligence to understand how you can discard the one, true Church founded by Jesus Christ, knowing it is the true Church.

You make no sense.

peace

There is one true Church - we define Catholic differently (and obviously). It is a sad fact that people - on both sides - have strayed.

And I can infer that you are calling me illogical and un-intelligent and have no sense. Charity, Mgrfin?

O+

 

[mgrfin]

There is one true Church - Yes, and that Church is the Holy Roman Catholic Church

The Catholic Church has not strayed. Some individuals within it may have, but the Church Jesus founded has not strayed. Otherwise his words would not be true: "And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it’.

This is a Catholic Forum, and you will have Catholic ideas formulated here. You certainly didn’t think that Catholics would admit to the ‘apostolic’ nature of your local christian community somewhere maybe in Tennesee.

So now you are saying that your christian community is apostolic? I think you know what we believe when we say we are the one, true, catholic and apostolic church.

You have no claim to that, having arrived on this earth sometime in the 17th century.

I don’t think I am going to let the pretense pass here. Your christian community is not even a Church, the Church, nor any relationship with Jesus Christ except through the Roman Catholic Church. Without membership in the Roman Catholic Church you cannot be saved!

peace

 

[Volodymyr]

This is a very tendetious question - and the initiator of the thread already offers to us his answer.

One is not Catolic because he is promiscuous, hypocritical, divorced or stupid.

With such insights I am sure Church unity is quite an impossible task. Like many who are not Catolic I do not define myself as a non-Catolic or a non-Buddhist - I am an Orthodox Christian.

I go to confession if I should be promiscuous, I firmly believe the teachings of my church, I have only been married once and was clever enough to survive in Soviet Union.

So I am not a Catolic for the same reason you are not an Orthodox.

 

[mgrfin]

This is a very tendetious question - and the initiator of the thread already offers to us his answer.

One is not Catolic because he is promiscuous, hypocritical, divorced or stupid.

With such insights I am sure Church unity is quite an impossible task. Like many who are not Catolic I do not define myself as a non-Catolic or a non-Buddhist - I am an Orthodox Christian.

I go to confession if I should be promiscuous, I firmly believe the teachings of my church, I have only been married once and was clever enough to survive in Soviet Union.

So I am not a Catolic for the same reason you are not an Orthodox.

You are welcome, Volodymyr!

peace

 

[O.S.Luke]

]So now you are saying that your christian community is apostolic? I think you know what we believe when we say we are the one, true, catholic and apostolic church.

I’m not saying it; the church i am a part of says it. My baptism places my membership in the church catholic, the United Methodist Church, and the local church where my membership is deposited.

Since we use both the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds (the Western version), I obviously believe in them.

You have no claim to that, having arrived on this earth sometime in the 17th century.

I arrived on this earth in the 20th century. And my baptism lays claim that I am a member of the Church Catholic.

I don’t think I am going to let the pretense pass here. Your christian community is not even a Church, the Church, nor any relationship with Jesus Christ except through the Roman Catholic Church. Without membership in the Roman Catholic Church you cannot be saved!

I obviously disagree. Thanks for the condescension, tho, regarding my “Christian community” and my relationship with Christ.

I have not called you a Roman Catholic, because I have been taught that is a disrespectful term. But if you wished to be referred to that way, I certainly will.

I have respect for your faith, Mgrfin. The Lord be with you.

O+

 

[mgrfin]

I’m not saying it; the church i am a part of says it. My baptism places my membership in the church catholic, the United Methodist Church, and the local church where my membership is deposited.

Since we use both the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds (the Western version), I obviously believe in them.

I arrived on this earth in the 20th century. And my baptism lays claim that I am a member of the Church Catholic.

I obviously disagree. Thanks for the condescension, tho, regarding my “Christian community” and my relationship with Christ.

I have not called you a Roman Catholic, because I have been taught that is a disrespectful term. But if you wished to be referred to that way, I certainly will.

I have respect for your faith, Mgrfin. The Lord be with you.

O+

Yes, please call me a Roman Catholic. That is what I am. This is a Roman Catholic site. What do you find so troubling about this terminology. In no way, iis it a disrepectful term; it is a name of honor.

No one is being condescending. You belong to the Methodist Church. Enjoy your faith.

peace

 

[jblake]

c659smith;:

That is where you are wrong and cannot state that with facts

Pope Honorius was condemned as a Heretic by the Second Council of Constanople.

But what I was referring to was those individuals who use Canon law, and Doctrine proclaimed by General Councils to examine current Roman Catholic Teachings, Doctrines,and Practices. And find that the Current Roman Catholic Church is guilty of practices that have been condemned as heresy by either Canon law or Doctrines promulgated by prior General Councils.

xan

jonathon

 

[paarsurrey]

There is a third type. The group that thinks that the **Catholic Church **is in heresy, because it **has adopted theological positions **that have been declared to be heretical by either a previous Pope, or General Council.
xan
jonathon

Hi

Would you please list for us the theological positions
that have been declared to be heretical by either a previous Popeor General Council?

Thanks and regards

 

[mgrfin]

Pope Honorius was condemned as a Heretic by the Second Council of Constanople.

But what I was referring to was those individuals who use Canon law, and Doctrine proclaimed by General Councils to examine current Roman Catholic Teachings, Doctrines,and Practices. And find that the Current Roman Catholic Church is guilty of practices that have been condemned as heresy by either Canon law or Doctrines promulgated by prior General Councils.

xan

jonathon

Canon Law are not defined doctrines of the Church. They are the guide book of rules and regulations, instituted by the Church for its government and administration.

These are human laws, and can be changed at any time. For example we used to abstain from meat on Friday. We don’t do that any more. It is not sinful to eat meat on Fridays (except during Lent).

Anyone who doesn’t uphold these laws would never be accused of heresy.

I don’t know what doctrines you are talking about from the past which are not practiced today. I sincerely doubt that such exist. These may, again, be Canons or laws of the Church, instituted by humans which can be changed at any time by the Church.

peace

 

[paarsurrey]

Pope Honorius was condemned as a Heretic by the Second Council of Constanople.

Hi

Kindly let us know which Pope it was who was condemned as Heretic:

Pope Honorius I
Pope Honorius II
Pope Honorius III
Pope Honorius IV

Thanks

 

[FredSmith]

If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

Are you ready for some truth; most people don’t like the truth so much?

The reason I asked this question is that I find many Christians somewhat disingenuous when it comes to the real reason or reasons that they are not Catholic or are no longer Catholic.

I feel that many of the Catholic dissenters here who love to quote Bible verses and argue against Catholicism have a personal reason for not being Catholic and not a biblical reason. That is why you can never get anywhere with these people. I have also found this to be true in my real-life contacts and conversations with Catholic dissenters.

For example, a vast majority of people I have met over the years who say that they left the Catholic Church, for this reason or that, it turns out, had no religion in their lives what so ever, for many years.

They didn’t leave the Catholic Church on Sunday to become a “Born-Again” on Monday. They left the Catholic Church on Sunday and became a “Born-Again” twenty or thirty years later.

They left their Faith, turned their back on God and did as they pleased, without guilt, what a life.

They where having “fun” living a promiscuous lifestyle and guess what the guilt finally catches up with them (sin has a way of doing that, don’t you know). They were just full of sin and at the point in which they felt it was time to “go back to church” they discovered that the Roman Catholic Church (actually that God) had a problem with their previous years of bad behavior and now their existed a hurdle or two to overcome and confession can be pretty humbling.

One thing leads to another and before you know it, these same people are now “former Catholics” and bible scholars, not to mention an authority on the Catholic religion, almost over-night. “It’s a miracle!”

It’s not a miracle, it’s disingenuous and hypocritical. Moreover, arguing now against Catholicism is a way for them to have God on their terms instead of His terms and to make them feel better about themselves. There isn’t’ anything wrong with experiencing guilt. We all sin and we all feel guilt, it is the human condition, welcome to life.

Here is some more reality; Many of these “on-fire” Christians who are bound and determined to save all us Catholics, it turns out, if the truth be known, would probably be Catholic today if it wasn’t for the three or four marriages, which occurred in the interim period, during their “non practicing, Christians years”, before they were on fire…

I also know of many other personal rather than biblical reasons why many are not Catholic, however there are too many to list here. Don’t get me wrong, I love all my Christian Brothers, but like an alcoholic, you have to admit you have a problem before you can seek a cure.

**Why aren’t you Catholic? Tell the truth. **

No problem here. I’m not Roman Catholic for two reasons:

1. Because there’s so much about Roman Catholicism that doesn’t line up with scripture.
2. Because I wouldn’t be welcome.

 

[2ndGen]

No problem here. I’m not Roman Catholic for two reasons:

1. Because there’s so much about Roman Catholicism that doesn’t line up with scripture.
2. Because I wouldn’t be welcome.

Hi Fred.

Would you share with us what you believe doesn’t line up with scripture?

And also, if we welcome anybody into our church, why do you think you wouldn’t be welcomed?

You could come to my chuch physically and worship with us. We have an open door policy.

Pax

 

[2ndGen]

Pope Honorius was condemned as a Heretic by the Second Council of Constanople.

But what I was referring to was those individuals who use Canon law, and Doctrine proclaimed by General Councils to examine current Roman Catholic Teachings, Doctrines,and Practices. And find that the Current Roman Catholic Church is guilty of practices that have been condemned as heresy by either Canon law or Doctrines promulgated by prior General Councils.

xan

jonathon

Was he an anti-Pope?

 

[FredSmith]

Hi Fred.

Would you share with us what you believe doesn’t line up with scripture?

Papal infallibility, the worship of (and, yes, I understand that you don’t believe it’s worship) and prayer to the dead, purgatory, etc.

And also, if we welcome anybody into our church, why do you think you wouldn’t be welcomed?

Because my first allegience would always be to scripture and that would cause some very uncomfortable moments if I’m to be expected to defer to the church over God’s word.

You could come to my chuch physically and worship with us. We have an open door policy.

And I have a good feeling you’d be throwing me out that door before long.

 

[2ndGen]

Papal infallibility, the worship of (and, yes, I understand that you don’t believe it’s worship) and prayer to the dead, purgatory, etc.

 

[FredSmith]

Papal infalliblity. Matthew 16.

I can’t copy and paste Mt 16 to show you firsthand, but there is nothing in Mt 16 that says any man can speak infallibly.

Worship? Define “worship”.

Making statues of and bowing down to.

Prayer for the dead & Purgatory: Maccabees

Right. Maccabees. Not Bible.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. But take this into account…scripture tells us that it is The Church that supports The Truth, not The Holy Bible.

So then, when Jesus said “it is written”, what He really meant was “the church has said”?

Sorry, but even the church is subject to the authority of God’s word.

So even scripture tells you that The Church is to be placed first

Where?

(after all, The Church came before The Bible and it was the entity that created what we know today as “The Holy Bible”).

Right. The church came before the Bible.

And at least 2/3 of the scriptures that make up the Bible came before the church.

My friend, I being a super-dee-duper Catholic have been sent to the cyber-corner for a time out myself and you are by far a lot less than I am when it comes to contrevarsy.

I’ve been kicked out of every non-Catholic Christian website I’ve tried to engage on. This has by far been the fairest one.

I’m not talking about websites. I’m talking about the church.

 

[mgrfin]

No problem here. I’m not Roman Catholic for two reasons:

1. Because there’s so much about Roman Catholicism that doesn’t line up with scripture.
2. Because I wouldn’t be welcome.

Interesting.

Scripture: As far as Christian denominations are concerned, arent there many that ignore the clear words of scripture: about the Eucharist; about forgiveness of sins; about the founding of the Church; about the Trinity; about the Hypostatic union of Jesus Christ; about THE church Jesus founded.

The math is not the problem with Catholicism, but with the problem of thousands of denominations say they are the true church.

Welcome: Many Catholic parishes may be too large and impersonal to you. But I am sure you can find your niche and find yourself welcome.

peace