If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

[2ndGen]

Note To My Fellow Catholics:

FredSmith is mine!

I saw him first!

Cease and desist from engaging him theologically!

I want him all to myself!

 

[tmg]

Jimmy_B:
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pope John Paul state that hell was not an actual place we go to and Pope Benedict recently say there is no Limbo? I know they did and you know they did. We all know they did.

 

[2ndGen]

And that is the difference between us: when you talk about a search for truth, you make a list of men amd man made organizations.

When we talk about a search for truth, we’re talking about the word of God.

I’m curious, do you think it’s possible for you to go just one post without being rude?

Didn’t you mention Paul Washer?

Is he “not” a man?

Don’t you teach?

Are you “not” a man?

Martin Luther…“not” a man?

 

[Harpazo]

Please correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Pope John Paul state that hell was not an actual place we go to and Pope Benedict recently say there is no Limbo? I know they did and you know they did. We all know they did.

Why do you make blanketed assertions?

We don’t know for sure about Limbo, it was never ever defined in a Council, or by a Pope as being true.

In my prayers.

Pace e Bene
Andrew

 

[fbl9]

you know what 2ndGen let him go Jesus never stopped those who left when He first mentioned the Euchrist. remeber St. Peter’s reply. next time you if you do come across FredSmith ask if he agrees with anything the church teaches if he doesn’t don’t waste any more time on him cause he can’t be a christian and not agree on anything the church teaches.

 

[2ndGen]

I now understand your hatred of the Catholic Church.

They used to lynch African-Americans and Catholics down in the bible belt.

Your religious hatred of us is just a hand-me-down from generations past.

peace

Hmmm…KKK maybe?

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Note To My Fellow Catholics:

FredSmith is mine!

I saw him first!

Cease and desist from engaging him theologically!

I want him all to myself!

And you grab the drumstick at Thanksgiving too, right?

 

[mgrfin]

That clarify everything than your previous post. You left a lot of gaps in the other one.

I do disagree with your first sentence. Jesus was in the beginning. Was he not the Word? He was the Word but he did not have human nature. His divine nature was in the beginning. His human didn’t came into being until the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary.

No disagreement there.

From the decrees of The Council of Chalcedon (451 A.D):
"In accordance with the teaching of the Holy Fathers we all profess our faith in one and the same Son and Lord Jesus Christ, perfect in His divinity, perfect in His humanity, having a rational soul and a body, consubstantial with the Father according to His divinity, the same consubstantial with us according to His humanity, in all things like as we are except sin; born before all ages of the Father according to the divinity; and the same in these last days born of Mary the Virgin Mother of God for us and for our salvation "

peace

 

[mgrfin]

QUOTE]

Fred,

You criticized Catholicism for its form of pouring in conferring the Sacrament of Baptism.

I assume you want all of us to go down to the River Jordan, and get plunged there in its dirty waters. We are supposed to come up clean? Yuck!

More seriously, isn’t it true that you didn’t perform immersion until 1641.

Does that mean all the baptisms performed before then were invalid, and all those poor souls went down into hell, never to return?

If the earlier Baptists had the bible and performed baptism by other than total immersion, what was their scriptural support for that?

peace

 

[2ndGen]

you know what 2ndGen let him go Jesus never stopped those who left when He first mentioned the Euchrist. remeber St. Peter’s reply

And like Saint Peter I’m the first to jump up and cut someone’s ear off who tries to take my Lord!



He thinks that he’s going to bait us into showing how “unChristian” or how uncharitable we can be then say, “See! Catholics aren’t Christians!”

But being a Christian never meant allowing anybody to disrespect Jesus Christ.

The Templar in me is about to be unleashed in a really uncharitable way.

Tables will be turned over and insults will be hurled (just like Jesus did when His Father’s House was desicrated with human thinking).

I bet even our Protestant (non-Anti-Catholic Christians) here are wise enough to see what Mr. Smith is trying to do and I won’t have to insult nonCatholic Christians to efficiently deal with Mr. Smith.

He won’t deal with me theologically. I’ve already wiped the board clean with him. He asks questions, but doesn’t answer questions.

Then when cornered, he changes the topic and becomes insulting in order to throw a Catholic off balance.

As long as he doesn’t get banned, I’m going to eat his lunch every day.

:yup:

And for any of those “can’t we all just get along” Caholics, let me tell you something before any attempts are made to correct me…there are all kinds of Christians.

Some are meek, some are saints, some are chosen to get in the face of anybody who would belittle the sacrifice Jesus made for us. God impliments who He wants to do his work, so, let me go. If I’m wrong, God will correct me.

Don’t care more about our “image” more than you care about the truth. I’m not making you look bad. I don’t reflect poorly upon Catholics when an anti-Catholic insults Jesus and I administer a just and thorough education. Save it. Instead of picking on your own brother who is defending Christ, if you can’t defend Christ because you’re too busy turning the other cheek (something I can definately respect), don’t stop others from doing it and be equally fair in administering your judgements.

Now, where is he…:knight1:

(Oh, by the way FBL9, none of this post was directed at you. )

 

[2ndGen]

And you grab the drumstick at Thanksgiving too, right?

:yup:

 

[Claire_from_DE]

Well let’s see…

1. Its inherent lack of respect, more like antipathy, towards women.(This inadvertantly gave rise to its latent acceptance of homosexuality within the clergy ranks.)

I’m a woman and have never felt this. Not inherent, since Paul says before God there’s no male or female preference since we are both in Christ.

1. Its lack of respect for other religions (like God didn’t exist before Christ? You that naive? Come on, give us a break!).

God always existed. He revealed himself to the Jews. But in every religion there was some inkling of the true God.

1. Its insistence we need priests to intervene with God for us. This robs us of the opportunity to develop that relationship for ourselves.

Catholic priests are servants and instruments whom God calls and uses. All baptized persons share in the priesthood of Christ but the ordained priest is configured to Him in a special way. All of us are called to develop a personal relationship with God.

1. The burden of guilt it lays on us. It’s so heavyhanded! Where is God’s love? Certainly not in the catholic teachings.

We should feel guilt when we are guilty of sin. God loves us even when we are sinners but He calls us to repentance.

1. In a lot of places, the church just doesn’t make sense. They like to say “it’s a mystery” to keep people dumb. Of course there are answers to important questions. Do you really follow someone who tells you “it’s a mystery?” Pardon me for asking, but that’s kinda stupid, isn’t it? Why do they try to keep people in the dark? Because they like having the power to do so, that’s why.

The Catholic church is open and above board about its beliefs. There is no hidden knowledge that only certain special people have. Of course there are ‘mysteries’ because God is not able to be completely understood by our finite minds. There are things we know thru revelation but we don’t know how they are exactly. We know Jesus is God and man but nothing in our experience relates to this.

There are a few more things but that’s enough for now.
Peace.

Peace.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi chrisb

Although I am Catholic I can understand reasons why one would not be Roman Catholic.

I believe it was Gandhi who said:

**If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today.

**I believe many fail to see the beauty of the Church because of the waywardness of it’s members.

So far have we fallen away from Him that I doubt many historical Catholics would recognize His Church anymore.

A M E N

I am not catholic and I thank you for speaking up chrisb.
And the debates are embarrassingly heated on non catholic sites as well.

That is why I started the follow threads in the hope of offering a friendlier atmosphere…

It was my hope that the love and respect of Jesus we all have would be illustrated in the threads I started.

The response has been very rewarding

for those who want to take a break on debating
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=208185
Tired of Debate Lets agree on Jesus

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=210586
How do you believe God sees you?

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=208333
A “true leading example” of Jesus church

I look forward to your replies .

Here is a beautiful poem from verses of the bible I believe all can enjoy
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God bless,

truth](http://www.bittybitznpieces.com/FathersLoveLetter~.htm)

 

[Jimmy_B]

Note To My Fellow Catholics:

FredSmith is mine!

I saw him first!

Cease and desist from engaging him theologically!

I want him all to myself!

I like this Guy!:extrahappy: I’ll watch for a while…but then I want a turn…

 

[2ndGen]

I like this Guy!:extrahappy: I’ll watch for a while…but then I want a turn…

No problem brother!

We’ll tag team him!



Mr. Smith, what are you gonna do when PapalMania runs all over you!

 

[HannahLisa]

I now understand your hatred of the Catholic Church.

They used to lynch African-Americans and Catholics down in the bible belt.

Your religious hatred of us is just a hand-me-down from generations past.

peace

I live in the Bible belt. I’m sure you know this (and are not referring to everyone in the Bible belt), but just because people happen to live there and be white non-Catholics does NOT mean we agree with anything to do with lynching or prejudice. Please, be careful with comments like these. The potential for misunderstanding is definitely there.

 

[2ndGen]

I live in the Bible belt. I’m sure you know this, but just because people happen to live there and be white non-Catholics does NOT mean we agree with anything to do with lynching or prejudice. Please, be careful with comments like these.

After having traveled through the US, I’ve found honestly that Catholic tolerance by non-Catholics has gone up abundantly (especially since that Traditionalist Catholic Mel Gibson released The Passion of The Christ).

The anti-Catholic bigots are usually also racists and ignorant.

I don’t think that any of the good true non-Catholic Christians were being referred to in that post Hannah.

 

[HannahLisa]

And like Saint Peter I’m the first to jump up and cut someone’s ear off who tries to take my Lord!

Surely you remember that when Saint Peter did that, Jesus rebuked him and healed the man’s ear…

I understand your zeal, but charity is also required…

Also, edited my previous post to clarify what I meant I didn’t mean to say that poster was referring to the majority of non-Catholic Christians. I just wanted to point out the potential for offense in that statement.

 

[2ndGen]

Surely you remember that when Saint Peter did that, Jesus rebuked him and healed the man’s ear…

I understand your zeal, but charity is also required…

Also, edited my previous post to clarify what I meant I didn’t mean to say that poster was referring to the majority of non-Catholic Christians. I just wanted to point out the potential for offense in that statement.

I know Jesus corrected Peter,
but Peter still got to cut someone’s ear off!

LOL!

Jesus knew Peter didn’t do it to hurt the one who came to hurt Jesus, but to do what “he” thought was protecting Jesus.

Yes…charity is required.

 

[whatisthetruth]

Hi mannyfit and mgrfin

Mannyfit75 you said

**mgrfin, you are wrong. **Very wrong by saying the Word was not Jesus, or that he didn’t exist.

I’m going to have to correct you. Jesus did exist in the beginning. He is the Word. Remember the first chapter of John. In the Beginning, there was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus did not have a body. He was pure spirit in complete union with God the Father and the Holy Spirit. In the fullness of time, through the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary and became man. He is both God and Man.

Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End. So you are incorrect in your thinking that Jesus wasn’t in the Beginning. He did. Remember Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I AM!”

then mgrfin answered,

**Sorry, Manny, I am not wrong.**The Word (Second Person of the Blessed Trinity), was conceived and became Man. That Man was Jesus Christ, who had two Natures, the Human and the Divine. The Divine Nature was from the beginning; the Human was born in time.

Jesus, the human Jesus, did not exist with the Father and the Holy Spirit. His Divine Nature, the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity did.

I appreciate your concern; but your concern is not warranted.

Ok now, if I was an atheist searching for the truth, why would I become a believer when even two believers within the one true Catholic church they claim that Jesus built can not agree on who the church’s builder (Jesus) is.

I am a bible believing Christian and I agree with Mannyfit so much so that if Jesus was standing before me I would look at Him eye to eye and say to Him,

“Lord Jesus, I believe in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word was made flesh, and that flesh is you Lord Jesus. You were born of the virgin Mary and dwelt among us”

I believe that because of what the bible says about you Jesus in John 1.

mannyfit and mgrfin how confident are you that you are correct?

**Would you look eye to eye with Jesus and state to Him what I just did? **

By the way, I have an atheist friend I would love to refer to the truth about who Jesus is.

A)Was Jesus the word right from the start and became flesh in the New testament as stated in John 1?

or

B)Was it just God in the beginning and Jesus was not the word as mentioned in John 1?

Only one can be correct, agree?

And the answer is_________

thank you

truth