If you are a Christian, what is the real reason for you not being a Catholic?

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mgrfin said:
WHATISTHETRUTH:

So, you believe every word in the bible, this copy of a copy of a copy, of a translation, of a translation, of a translation is absolutely true, word for word, mathematics, geology, archeology, medicine, history, science, everything is true, and the Holy Spirit sat down and dictated to the author word for word in every single book? It is all inspired, word for word, and infallibly true?

Is that what you believe?

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BTW, if you believe the same Holy Spirit who inspired both the scriptures and tradition made errors or couldn’t preserve the scriptures from error, why do you believe that “tradition” would fare any better?
 
mgrfin said:
No, that is not the case.

I see you would like to get me banned.

I asked two questions. I never mentioned what I believed. I asked him if that was what he believed.

Please be more careful in what you read. He wasn’t insulted, or shouldn’t have been.

I see you have an agenda from previous hurts you have received on this website. Sorry that you are hurting that badly.

I will be watching your questions more carefully in the future.

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You intentionally misrepresented the protestant faith by using hyperbole shame on you
 
Pwrlftr said:
BTW, if you believe the same Holy Spirit who inspired both the scriptures and tradition made errors or couldn’t preserve the scriptures from error, why do you believe that “tradition” would fare any better?
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First, where does it say I believe any of that. I asked him if that is what he believed.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit can not make an error. He is the Spirit of Truth.

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit sat down the author of Genesis and dictated for him word for word what is contained in their to the full.

Or do you believe, that Moses, in order to explain to a simple and uneducated people a story of creation that they would easily understand - about the earth, the taking of the earth and forming a man, and ‘blowing life’ into him, and saying, "let’s make him to our image and likeness, to know that we are like God, or to take a rib from him, and form Eve, so that Moses’ followers would know that woman were formed from Man, and for his comfort, and she is bone of my bone…etc.

Don’t put words in my mouth, and this is nothing like Tradition.

peace
 
mgrfin said:
First, where does it say I believe any of that. I asked him if that is what he believed.

Secondly, the Holy Spirit can not make an error. He is the Spirit of Truth.

Do you believe that the Holy Spirit sat down the author of Genesis and dictated for him word for word what is contained in their to the full.

Or do you believe, that Moses, in order to explain to a simple and uneducated people a story of creation that they would easily understand - about the earth, the taking of the earth and forming a man, and ‘blowing life’ into him, and saying, "let’s make him to our image and likeness, to know that we are like God, or to take a rib from him, and form Eve, so that Moses’ followers would know that woman were formed from Man, and for his comfort, and she is bone of my bone…etc.

Don’t put words in my mouth, and this is nothing like Tradition.

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How is it not like tradition?

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mgrfin:
No, I don’t believe that.

Only the originals of Scriptures are infallible and without error.

We don’t have originals. So I don’t have to believe in the infallibility of the bible.

I believe the scriptures can have error regarding matters outside of faith and morals. The bible is not a scientific journal.
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**You most clearly believe that the scriptures can contain an error ** as evidenced from your above post and this is in direct opposition to what several popes have taught and as best I can tell, pretty much all your church’s theology up until the 20th century.
 
mgrfin said:
VARC;3213851:
On Scripture and Tradition:

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html
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You flatter me. Please, there are so many other wonderful people on this website, certainly more kind and knowledgeable than I.

peace

I believe that you stated that scripture can err in matters not pertaining to faith. If that is true you have denied Pope Leo XIII teaching regarding scripture and shouldn’t be misrepresenting the faith of protestants when you don’t know your own faith.

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VARC said:
mgrfin;3213898:
I believe that you stated that scripture can err in matters not pertaining to faith. If that is true you have denied Pope Leo XIII teaching regarding scripture and shouldn’t be misrepresenting the faith of protestants when you don’t know your own faith.

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I haven’t mentioned the name ‘Protestant’ in days.

I haven’t mentioned Lutherans, Episcopalians - wait, I did mention Anglicans - but no one else.

I certainly haven’t misrepresented anything they have to say, and they can speak for themselves.

As far as knowledge of my faith, I try hard. You know my eyes are failing, and I have a weak heart, but it beats for the Lord Jesus.

But, there you go again, getting personal, and taking us off-track once more.

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mgrfin said:
VARC;3213910:
I haven’t mentioned the name ‘Protestant’ in days.

I haven’t mentioned Lutherans, Episcopalians - wait, I did mention Anglicans - but no one else.

I certainly haven’t misrepresented anything they have to say, and they can speak for themselves.

As far as knowledge of my faith, I try hard. You know my eyes are failing, and I have a weak heart, but it beats for the Lord Jesus.

peace
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So do you believe that scripture can err in matters not pertaining in faith and morals or not?

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If mgrfin believes that scripture can err in any way i’m afraid he has fell into the heresy of modernism and the condemnation of Pope Leo XIII:

For the system of those who, in order to rid themselves of these difficulties, do not hesitate to concede that divine inspiration regards the things of faith and morals, and nothing beyond, because (as they wrongly think) in a question of the truth or falsehood of a passage, we should consider not so much what God has said as the reason and purpose which He had in mind in saying it-this system cannot be tolerated. For all the books which the Church receives as sacred and canonical, are written wholly and entirely, with all their parts, at the dictation of the Holy Ghost; and so far is it from being possible that any error can co-exist with inspiration, that inspiration not only is essentially incompatible with error, but excludes and rejects it as absolutely and necessarily as it is impossible that God Himself, the supreme Truth, can utter that which is not true.
 
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