If YOU could.change the Catholic Church

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Uh-huh. Do you think the Holy Spirit was there when it came to shutting out Galileo’s ideas?
 
Of course.

It’s not like the Holy Spirit withdrew to comfort Jesus while he was biting his nails in the clouds because of the tumults on Earth.
 
WOW

So you’d choice to continue to deny God’s Truths

And where EXACTLY d\is “our conceit”?

My friend, we don’t oppress; only share GODS SINGULAR TRUTHS per defined issue

So unless you know a definition for truth that I’m unaware of; I just don’t see any grounds for your positions
Dictionary Definition of “Truth”
  1. The true or actual state of a matter: conformity with fact or reality; verity: the truth of a statement
  2. a verified or indisputable fact, proposition, principle, or the like mathematical truths.
  3. the state or character of being true.
  4. actuality or actual existence.
    . 5. an obvious or accepted fact; truism; platitude.
  5. honesty; integrity; truthfulness.
  6. (often initial capital letter) ideal or fundamental reality apart from and
    transcending perceived experience:
  7. agreement with a standard or original.
    9… accuracy, as of position or adjustment.
  8. Archaic. Fidelity or constancy. End quotes
What is the Moral significance and demands of TRUTH?

Father John A. Hardon S.J., one of the 20th Centuries most esteemed Theologians, explains it clearly and precisely:

Truth is [1] the condition for grace [2] it is the source of grace [3] it is the channel of grace [4] it is the Divinely Ordained requirement of grace.” End Quotes

And for the record;we INVITE, not “force” which is against the Code of Canon Law

Oh, by the way; I’m the OP of this STRING

May God guide your path Brother,
Patrick
 
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I would not judge all Roman Catholics by the ones on this thread. There are people here you like to dominate the discussion and make you feel like their opinion is the “one true view.” I think God is transcends our mortal understanding and is expansive enough to accommodate a variety of views.

I have a lot of appreciation for the Orthodox Church. I attended an Orthodox Mass when I was visiting the Holy Land. It was very moving, but boy was it long! LOL. I also question what happened when the two churches split apart. I think it was more political than religious. But hang in there. Were not all like you describe. There
 
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Threads like this only encourage those who would mold the Church as they seee fit in their own narrow worldview. These endless discuss “woulda coulda shoulda”…meh.
The Church in her wisdom and heritage has lasted a long time before the internet produced self-proclaimed scholars.
There is not much that a lay person can do to embellish or change what God Himself has provided to us.
What we CAN do is to change the world by our love, our mercy, our corporal and spiritual works of mercy. Don’t try to change things that are eternal, like the Mass. Who does and who does not get called by God through ordination, or whether or not you believe your parish has great music, or the flowers were not just right, or the altar servers are the wrong gender.
These are personal opinions. One can have them, but it’s always better when we work WITH the church, and not against her. Support the priests and Vocation Directors through prayer.
Prayer can effect the changes that GOD WANTS. If…and only if…He truly wants those changes. Imagine if everyone worried about their own souls as much as they worry about each other’s? Part of what drives blogs and sites like this is vanity. Vanity is a sin. Be kind to one another and merciful.
Not everyone on this site is so aggressive as what we see here. There are, and have been in the past, some very educated and scholarly posters. Threads like this make people just walk away. On the last day, I don’t want the Lord to ask me why I picked apart his “one, holy, and apostolic” church.
In the new year, let’s resolve to be more merciful. For the sake of the Holy Child, at least.
Peace, have a blessed Advent.
 
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Each person has a duty to inform their conscience, and although you can have a misinformed conscience, a clear conscience does absolve one from murder or any other evil act.

If you went to court after murdering someone, and said “my conscience is clear, therefore I’m not guilty” and tried to convince them of your personal morality based on your own authority, the judge and the jury would throw the book at you, and depending on where you are you might get the death penalty.

The standard of right and wrong does not come down to man, it comes down to God. It is unchangeable, universal, objective.
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No friend,

As your final statement seems to affirm; a “clear conscience” does NOT "clear: one of "all guilt". There ARE intrinsic evils like Murder, abortion, adultery, slander that are ALWAYS sinful regardless of the circumstances.

GBY
 
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I would not judge all Roman Catholics by the ones on this thread. There are people here you like to dominate the discussion and make you feel like their opinion is the “one true view.” I think God is transcends our mortal understanding and is expansive enough to accommodate a variety of views.
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NO friend, Jesus Himself taught that He Is “The Way, the TRUTH & and the Life” so God CANNOT [it’s impossible] that He can accept as “OK” different faith beliefs.

God Bless you
Patrick
 
And your support for that is Catholic doctrine, making it the ultimate circular argument, a definition defining itself.

I believe in two things: 1) I believe in Jesus. 2) I believe you are not Him.
 
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As your final statement seems to affirm; a “clear conscience” does NOT "clear: one of “all guilt”. There ARE intrinsic evils like Murder, abortion, adultery, slander that are ALWAYS sinful regardless of the circumstances.
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Exactly, I accidentally omitted the “doesn’t”. 🙂
 
THAT belief my friend, is ONLY the 1st necessary step to one’s salvation

May God guide your path

Parick
 
10 points awarded for snappy comeback. 😀

Yeah, yeah I know…The Church wanted evidence and Galileo just had a hunch that was correct.
 
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There was a time when educated people understood that to calmly ask for converging observational data was a required and a reasonable aspect of evaluating a hypothesis, before “failing to reject” the “alternative hypothesis”.

But that was before progressive times. Today these sorts of things are “just snappy words, man”.
 
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Accept Deaf Catholics like myself with full access but many hearing Catholics don’t care about us or prefer to marginalize us.
 
What I would change is the formation given to lay Catholics.

I’d add some “helps” around this point:
  • How to be more resilient in daily life, even if God allowed oneself to have handicaps, how to overcome challenges, some physical ones.
  • How to not to play the victim card all the time
  • How not to find (supposedly) deliberate evil doers among “many hearing Catholics”.
  • How to take matters in more cheerful stride, and not give in to weaker tendencies to curl up like a victim.
That’s what I would change.
 
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Thank you my friend;;

We don’t have ant deaf parishioners in my parish; BUT if we did, I think we would seek ways to accommodate your needs, much as we do the elderly and handicapped.

May God guide your path and thanks again for sharing

Patrick [the OP]
 
We have a woman who “signs” one of the Masses on Sunday…and has been doing so for something like 20 years. We have a large parish and it helps a few. Our parish i(and this woman) is very generous and accommodating.

We typically have 3 hours of confession on Saturdays, with 3 (sometimes 4) priests.

The “more” spirit shows all around our parish.
 
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