If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?

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giuseppe96 said:
And prohibit parish announcements during Mass, honestly we have bulletins for a reason. These announcements kinda detract from the reverent atmosphere immediately after receiving communion.
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Yes! I recently attended an OF Mass where the announcements were mentioned right before Mass.

The most important time of recollection (Holy Communion) should not be interrupted by an announcement of where coffee and donuts will be served.
 
goout said:
What are you afraid of? Christ came to banish fear for those who have faith in him. You should not live in fear of things you cannot control. We should have a healthy awe and reverence for the Eucharist
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Um, I don’t want to speak for anyone, but I’m quite certain that the OP used that term, ‘I’m afraid’, in a filial sense, not one of perpetual worry. I, likewise, would fear Our Lord being received into the wrong hands for desecration or any other sacrilegious irreverence.
 
Yes, that is what I meant. We should have rules and guidelines to protect Our Lord from desecration and abuse.
 
Go back to the Latin (this IS the Traditional Section of CAF, right?)

In Latin, the closing words of the Mass are, “Ite, missa est.” This means “Go, it is the Mass.”

Missa means “mission.” When Mass is over, it is our job as Christians to take the Living Christ, Who we received in Holy Communion, to all the world around us. We are His ambassadors and we supposed to be on a mission to share the Gospel AFTER Mass. Christ in us gives us the strength to accomplish our mission.

So it’s very appropriate to have announcements right before the ending of Mass. The priest is giving us our marching orders as we go into all the world to accomplish the mission and preach the Gospel (through words and through our lives). Our priest tells us about different opportunities that the parish is giving us to be “missionaries” in our part of the world and sometimes in other parts of the world.

Yes, it’s all in the bulletin, but if the Lord leads the priest to highlight a few of the bulletin announcements, we need to respect that. Perhaps those particular activities are in need of more people or funds, and the priest is calling our attention to this opportunity to be involved with this mission.

I agree that coffee and donuts seems rather trite–but what is the purpose of coffee and donuts? Fellowship–meeting and greeting fellow parishioners and encouraging them on their missions. That’s an honorable mission. The Bible is full of admonitions for us to encourage fellow believers. It’s a legitimate mission, and there’s nothing irreverent about the priest reminding us to help and encourage each other.
 
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I can’t seem to not notice that people always have something to say…

Brilliant! Then I’ll look like I’m the own being rude here! Great don’t you think?
 
If I had to pick just one thing…

Enough of this suspending the Mass for housekeeping announcements. What is that? Do it just after the final blessing, or before Mass begins. There is 0 reason to do it when everybody does, just after Communion.

Also, altar rails. Let’s use those suckers. People don’t kneel to receive because they don’t wanna stand out or be thought ostentatious. Make it the norm and most weekly goers will be happy about it.

Actually, no, my #1 thing is let’s do confession before and after each mass. Okay, that is my #1
 
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I’ve seen it suggested that Priests alone should be distributing communion. From what I’ve seen I don’t think it’s practical. The Church is encouraging frequent communion. Every Sunday mass I attend, 95% of the congregation goes up to receive communion. That’s AT LEAST a couple of hundred people. There’s just no way a single Priest can deal with that kind of volume without it taking an unreasonable amount of time. Add in the fact that communion in my diocese is under BOTH forms and you have a nightmare.
 
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I asked you if you want to get rid of the pipe organs because you said that you want more quiet music.

Do you?
 
Doesn’t this indicate that many are receiving unworthily? I mean, the numbers receiving at a single Mass have increased while the number of Mass goers has decreased overall.
 
I’ve heard plenty of quiet music from pipe organs. They can play both loud and soft. 😃
 
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11101 said:
Enough of this suspending the Mass for housekeeping announcements. What is that? Do it just after the final blessing, or before Mass begins. There is 0 reason to do it when everybody does, just after Communion.
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Not quite everybody. Our parish has announcements right before Mass, before the entrance procession.
 
So help me understand this–what you want is for a pipe organist to never use any of the bigger registrations and instead, stick with the wood flutes?

Really? Am I interpreting correctly what you are wishing for?

No more Bach? Or Buxtehude? Or Handel? Or Franck? Or Vierne?

Hymn accompaniments should be soft? No thrilling introductions, no support for the singers?

Pipe organs cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, and their maintenance is also very costly! A parish can easily spend a million dollars on a pipe organ!

Even a good electric organ (e.g., Allen) costs a heck of a lot of cash!

So what you are saying is why on earth spend that kind of money for liturgical music if people plug their ears when organists utilize the horns, diapasons, and the cymbalstern? Just buy a lil’ ol’ chord organ for a few hundred bucks, or even better, pick one up for ten bucks at a flea market.

Or better yet, use a classical or folk guitar all the time–such a peaceful instrument. Or how about a flute?

Nope. I simply cannot accept that quiet hymns and instrumental music all the time in every Mass are sufficient to give adequate praise to God Almighty and to encourage His people to live holy lives. Re-read Psalm 150. And read up on the history of liturgical music and the music history of the great cathedrals of the world.

Please tell me that I am mis-interpreting your wishes! I’m guessing it’s not the “LOUD” that you object to as much as the mix of various instruments including electric guitars and bass guitar, drums and other percussion instruments, and keyboards, and a singing style that does not utilize the “head voice” as much as the “playground voice.”

Here’s my dilemma–whenever I utilize the big stops on our gorgeous pipe organ in my parish, the people applaud, not because I’m so wonderful, but because they LOVE hearing the big organ pipes and feeling the floor vibrate! So do I stop playing using a big registration when it’s appropriate and correct, or do I keep playing the organ correctly, the way it was meant to be played and eventually the people will get used to the splendor and magnificence of a pipe organ accompaniment and stop applauding? I vote for Option 2! The very idea of playing a wimpy pipe organ is sad.
 
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I’m not the one who said they wanted quiet music. The full range of organ music is much appreciated by me.
I suspect that sometimes when people say they want “quiet” music, possibly they mean they dont want raucous pop-style music, with drum kit, guitars, etc. I don’t know for sure though.
 
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That’s what I thought, too.

Maybe that’s the reason why some people aren’t able to influence their parish to make changes in Mass music–if they say, “Loud Music”, the parish leaders will ignore them, because many of the great hymns and organ pieces (e.g., Bach Preludes) are very loud.

It would possibly pay off to be more specific–ask for alternatives to drum kits, guitars, and keyboards. We are fortunate at our parish to have several Masses, each with its own music style.

But we have to keep in mind that there are quite a few people who can’t stand “long-hair classical music.” My husband is definitely not comfortable with the repetitive nature of many of the Baroque pieces, and would not want to experience them at every Mass. Others dislike the dissonance of some of the early 20th Century organ music composers.

So sometimes, we just have to dig deep and for the sake of our Christian brothers and sisters who differ from us, we have to put up and shut up!
 
Yeah – let’s just agree to ignore Church teaching and documents on what the music for Mass is supposed to be…
 
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gracepoole said:
Doesn’t this indicate that many are receiving unworthily? I mean, the numbers receiving at a single Mass have increased while the number of Mass goers has decreased overall.
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Undoubtable! Common sense says the majority of communicants are receiving unworthily given the very long communion lines and very short confessional lines. That being said, nobody has any way of knowing WHICH individuals are the one’s receiving unworthily so you can’t refuse people communion. As long as the Church encourages frequent communion, we’re just going to have to live with long lines of unworthy communicants.

And for the record, the encouragement of frequent communion is nothing new: Pre-Vatican II Popes were among those encouraging it.
 
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And for the record, the encouragement of frequent communion is nothing new: Pre-Vatican II Popes were among those encouraging it.
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In the 20th Century, that is certainly true. Pius X did a lot to encourage frequent communion.

In the 19th Century and for several centuries before that, frequent communion was a lot less common and was often discouraged. I was reading a website for a Presbyterian church a few years ago which explained they had quarterly communion because that was the usual tradition they inherited for communion of the people. The founder of Presbyterianism , Knox, was a 16th Century figure,
 
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And for the record, the encouragement of frequent communion is nothing new: Pre-Vatican II Popes were among those encouraging it.
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In the 20th Century, that is certainly true. Pius X did a lot to encourage frequent communion.

In the 19th Century and for several centuries before that, frequent communion was a lot less common and was often discouraged. I was reading a website for a Presbyterian church a few years ago which explained they had quarterly communion because that was the usual tradition they inherited for communion of the people. The founder of Presbyterianism , Knox, was a 16th Century figure,
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That’s the lingering effects of Jansenism, I think. Jansenism discouraged frequent communion to the point where taking communion was practically a rarity.
 
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This is all hypothetical you know. I’m not encouraging anyone to disobey the Church. In fact, most of these things are permissible on the Novus Ordo Missae, it just needs to be less vague.
 
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