If you could, what changes if any would you make to the Ordinary Form?

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Something like that is less likely to happen when it is recieved on the tongue as opposed to in the hand.
 
Crusader30 said:
Something like that is less likely to happen when it is recieved on the tongue as opposed to in the hand.
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Its not that difficult to do in either situation.

If you think its a good idea to change the method of communion to “on the tongue only” , that’s fine. But I think the argument that doing so would eliminate an epidemic of host desecration is just really weak.
 
The kiss of peace is out of place and it’s too touchy. The announcements should not be part of the Mass.
 
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thank you for explaining this.! then I guess I would say these are not part of our Mass so I wouldn’t know this.
these are the changes it would be so good to experience
 
Boy, do I ever agree with this. Thank you, LumineDiei!

I think that it would be a good educational experience for Catholics who are convinced that the many OF Masses are “too Protestant” to spend several months visiting Protestant churches, mainly the Evangelical ones.

However, they would also benefit from attending some of the mainlines (Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc.) to see how these older denominations have changed their own liturgy. One of the oldest, most beautiful Lutheran churches in our city (cruciform, with stained glass and a pipe organ) has abandoned the traditional liturgy; instead, they explore the worship of a variety of world religions and pray to many different deities.

And one of the biggest, most traditional churches in the Chicago suburb area just fired their long-time, rather famous organist (one of my friends) because they hired a professional Praise and Worship band to replace him. They’re changing their worship service.

This happens a lot lately to organists that I know–they are losing their jobs because of P and W. I keep wondering why those of you who want more organ music don’t ask their diocese to hire these wonderful organists and disperse them throughout your diocese. You may think that your diocese has decided to replace traditional music with more contemporary 50-year hymns, but I suspect that the main reason is that there are so few really good organists (or even merely-competent organists like me), and the organists are still asking for much more money than the diocese is willing to pay… And I also suspect that many dioceses have found that the congregations really like the contemporary pieces and piano/guitar, even though here on CAF, it sounds like thousands of Catholics are longing for chant and traditional hymns.

Of course, I’ve said all along that what we “want” is not important. What’s important is that the Mass is liturgically-correct and in line with current rubrics. I believe that it actually does Christians GOOD to have to put up with things that they don’t love. It trains us to be forbearing and content in all things.

I realize that gathering information about Protestant churches and learning the truth would not satisfy a Catholic’s longing for Gregorian chant or a kneeling rail. However, this type of fact-finding experiment would at least quell the complaints about “Protestant-style OF Masses.” It’s so much nonsense and it’s WRONG to keep saying it because it’s simply not true.

And when you think about it, NO Protestant church worship service is anything near a Catholic Mass because they do not have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, Truly Present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, and making Himself available for us to receive in our bodies. NO Protestant church worship service fulfills the entire Bible, from the very first chapters in Genesis all the way through to the Revelation! The music doesn’t matter! The handshaking and chattering and shorts/tank tops, etc. do not matter–they all fade away in the light of His Beautiful Presence! NO Protestant church has Jesus the way Catholics have Jesus!
 
There should not be any difference if you have even the most basic training for those who distribute communion.
 
Peeps said:
One of the oldest, most beautiful Lutheran churches in our city (cruciform, with stained glass and a pipe organ) has abandoned the traditional liturgy; instead, they explore the worship of a variety of world religions and pray to many different deities.
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That sounds an awful lot like the ELCA: Like the other mainline Protestant churches they’re completely apostate.
 
Peeps said:
Boy, do I ever agree with this. Thank you, LumineDiei!

I think that it would be a good educational experience for Catholics who are convinced that the many OF Masses are “too Protestant” to spend several months visiting Protestant churches, mainly the Evangelical ones.

And one of the biggest, most traditional churches in the Chicago suburb area just fired their long-time, rather famous organist (one of my friends) because they hired a professional Praise and Worship band to replace him. They’re changing their worship service.

This happens a lot lately to organists that I know–they are losing their jobs because of P and W. I keep wondering why those of you who want more organ music don’t ask their diocese to hire these wonderful organists and disperse them throughout your diocese. You may think that your diocese has decided to replace traditional music with more contemporary 50-year hymns, but I suspect that the main reason is that there are so few really good organists (or even merely-competent organists like me), and the organists are still asking for much more money than the diocese is willing to pay… And I also suspect that many dioceses have found that the congregations really like the contemporary pieces and piano/guitar, even though here on CAF, it sounds like thousands of Catholics are longing for chant and traditional hymns.

Of course, I’ve said all along that what we “want” is not important. What’s important is that the Mass is liturgically-correct and in line with current rubrics. I believe that it actually does Christians GOOD to have to put up with things that they don’t love. It trains us to be forbearing and content in all things.

I realize that gathering information about Protestant churches and learning the truth would not satisfy a Catholic’s longing for Gregorian chant or a kneeling rail. However, this type of fact-finding experiment would at least quell the complaints about “Protestant-style OF Masses.” It’s so much nonsense and it’s WRONG to keep saying it because it’s simply not true.

And when you think about it, NO Protestant church worship service is anything near a Catholic Mass because they do not have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, Truly Present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, and making Himself available for us to receive in our bodies. NO Protestant church worship service fulfills the entire Bible, from the very first chapters in Genesis all the way through to the Revelation! The music doesn’t matter! The handshaking and chattering and shorts/tank tops, etc. do not matter–they all fade away in the light of His Beautiful Presence! NO Protestant church has Jesus the way Catholics have Jesus!
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Also, the Lutheran church I attend (LCMS) is theologically orthodox, but uses a modern Evangelical style worship service.
 
Ostiarius said:
ALL of which are allowed in the celebration of the OF Mass.
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Indeed! I’m blessed to be able to attend OF Mass every Sunday and Wednesday at a Benedictine abbey where the Mass is entirely sung, in Gregorian chant, with the Propers and Ordinary in Latin/Greek, and the rest in French plainchant.

I also have been singing in a small Gregorian schola for the past 16 years, and we exclusively sing at the OF Mass or the current Liturgy of the Hours. And I’ve been to monasteries in Europe where Gregorian chant is used daily in the OF.
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My husband’s response when the language was changed: “It doesn’t feel like home anymore.”
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I rarely attend Mass in English. It’s either French, or a mix of Latin/Greek/French. However a couple of weeks ago due to a family event, I was compelled to fulfill my obligation at at an English Mass which is rare in my part of the world. All the missalettes had the new translation, but the priest used the old. Before lambasting the priest as I’m sure many here will be ready to do after reading this, he was a francophone (and fairly old) priest and manifestly struggled very much in English, and I’m pretty sure he used the old translation because of this, and with permission; I’m sure at his age learning the new translation in a foreign language would be a daunting challenge. Instead I admired his courage for offering Mass in a language that was clearly difficult for him.
LoveMercyGrace said:
…Gregorian Chant
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I believe that’s the abbey of Fontgombault, of the Solesmes Congregation. While they do the EF Mass, you’ll hear the exact same music in the OF at Solesmes itself, at St-Wandrille, in France and at the abbey I’m attached to in Quebec. And in many other places around the world. The Graduale Romanum was re-issued for the OF in 1974 with the same music distributed for the OF Mass cycle of readings and the new Calendar.

It remains the the same music whether in the EF or OF.
 
Ostiarius said:
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NO Protestant church worship service is anything near a Catholic Mass because they do not have Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament, Truly Present Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity, and making Himself available for us to receive in our bodies.
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It’s interesting how so many never mention the primary reason we attend the Mass (or Eastern sacrificial liturgies), which is to be present at Calvary as Jesus Christ is sacrificed to God His Father for our sins, so that we may be washed clean by the Blood of His Sacrifice.

It’s not to hear the words of Sacred Scripture, to be in the Presence of Jesus Christ or even to receive Holy Communion. It’s to be sacramentally present at the sacrifice – by far the most miraculous event EVER, ANYWHERE.
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Hmmmmm. I didn’t post that quote.

In fact, as a Lutheran I believe in the real presence…quite the opposite of that post.
 
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Ostiarius said:
It’s interesting how so many never mention the primary reason we attend the Mass (or Eastern sacrificial liturgies), which is to be present at Calvary as Jesus Christ is sacrificed to God His Father for our sins, so that we may be washed clean by the Blood of His Sacrifice.
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Everyone (Catholics here, that is) get that. There is not controversy to fuss over. Odd that we agree with almost everything spiritually, but still look for that one or two percent we can argue about.
 
I have never met one yet, and I have a lot of posts and a lot of time on here. I know there are inactive Catholics that know little of the Catholic faith, but CAF is not characteristic of Catholics as a whole.
 
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On the original question, I wish the “profession of faith” after the consecration utilized the Shema, in Hebrew, or at least in English:

Shema Israel Adonai eloheinu Adonai echad

Hear O Israel the LORD is God, the LORD alone ! (Dt 6:4)

look up the Shema (or Shema or S’hma) on youtube
 
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