If you die and go to heaven, but your will is to cease to exist instead, would God let that happen?

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No, we can’t cease to exist. We either end up in heaven or hell. Either way, we will exist forever.
 
ClearWater said:
No, we can’t cease to exist. We either end up in heaven or hell. Either way, we will exist forever.
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That must not be a good thing for the person concerned, that means once you are born you can’t cease to exist even if you wanted to, sounds like a forced thing against your free will.
 
You may be assuming you will know what you want when you are rid of Earth and your attachments to ideas of what you want. Meaning, you may find under these ‘new’ conditions in the afterlife, that what you want here isn’t what you want there. (And that is something a few of those NDEs have told me. The example of this: They all wanted to stay over there, even though there were people, such as children and spouses, here that they love immensely.)

I am open to the idea that my dog will remain with me as a perfect memory, or the possibility that she too will be in heaven. I am also open to the idea that Thornton Wilder might have had a clue that the after life is a sort of ‘forgetting’ of this life. (I hope not though. I’ve loved too many people and pets to want to forget them. I’d like to forget 90% of Junior High.)

God doesn’t follow rules, nor is he a dictator. Don’t confuse equals who take on the role of a dictator or “President for life” as what God is. He’s not our equal. Period.

There are persons who really have a hard time with that one. About 1/3 of heaven. They voluntarily left with encouragement. But even they didn’t chose ‘non-existence’.

Theoretically, I suppose it is possible that God could let someone chose to go ‘non-existent’. But we’d have to assume we would be as we are now. I highly doubt that is how we really are built and what we are designed for which is eternity.
 
ANV said:
That must not be a good thing for the person concerned, that means once you are born you can’t cease to exist even if you wanted to, sounds like a forced thing against your free will.
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It cannot be against your will to come into existence because your will doesn’t exist prior to your existence. As for your continued existence, while right now you can contemplate the notion that you don’t want to exist, as we’ve stated, once you go to Heaven or Hell, it will be impossible for you to desire to cease existing.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
It cannot be against your will to come into existence because your will doesn’t exist prior to your existence. As for your continued existence, while right now you can contemplate the notion that you don’t want to exist, as we’ve stated, once you go to Heaven or Hell, it will be impossible for you to desire to cease existing.
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Of course it’s not about the will before you exist but after.
 
egretps said:
You may be assuming you will know what you want when you are rid of Earth and your attachments to ideas of what you want. Meaning, you may find under these ‘new’ conditions in the afterlife, that what you want here isn’t what you want there. (And that is something a few of those NDEs have told me. The example of this: They all wanted to stay over there, even though there were people, such as children and spouses, here that they love immensely.)

I am open to the idea that my dog will remain with me as a perfect memory, or the possibility that she too will be in heaven. I am also open to the idea that Thornton Wilder might have had a clue that the after life is a sort of ‘forgetting’ of this life. (I hope not though. I’ve loved too many people and pets to want to forget them. I’d like to forget 90% of Junior High.)

God doesn’t follow rules, nor is he a dictator. Don’t confuse equals who take on the role of a dictator or “President for life” as what God is. He’s not our equal. Period.

There are persons who really have a hard time with that one. About 1/3 of heaven. They voluntarily left with encouragement. But even they didn’t chose ‘non-existence’.

Theoretically, I suppose it is possible that God could let someone chose to go ‘non-existent’. But we’d have to assume we would be as we are now. I highly doubt that is how we really are built and what we are designed for which is eternity.
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If the same conditions and thinking applied and remained after death, let’s suppose it is the rare case, I would think it’s possible for it to happen, if there was a God or life after death.
 
ANV said:
Of course it’s not about the will before you exist but after.
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As we’ve stated, repeatedly, a person won’t desire to cease existing, regardless of whether they wind up in Heaven or Hell. It also doesn’t make sense for God to submit to this desire during life because our status is constantly changing. A person may desire to not exist at one point in time, but change their mind later when things are going better for them.
 
ANV said:
If the same conditions and thinking applied and remained after death, let’s suppose it is the rare case, I would think it’s possible for it to happen, if there was a God or life after death.
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I have heard that at death our wills are set. I haven’t checked the forum for this but if that is the case our Will will be what we are facing at our judgement.

So, perhaps if you live your life willing to no longer exist, and probably a whole lotta other things, and all of your beliefs and faculties and desires and thoughts are intact after your death, perhaps standing there a person could just dig in and say, “No more for me!”.

But my question for you is this, “Why would you no longer wish to exist?”

Creativity and language which are very much a part of our human experience, whether you believe in God or not, is also often what is pointed to that makes humans in God’s image. Logos. Creativity I hope doesn’t disappear or cease to exist, but maybe that is just for us here to make this world this life better for ourselves and more likely for others. Maybe that aspect of us that the ancients saw as what makes us in God’s image, will continue on.

Even those snazzy Greek philosophers and other cultures Myth makers looked at that capacity of Creativity and wove stories about how man was creative, like the gods, but those gods didn’t want that to get outta hand. Those gods really liked to punish, they were dictatorial, they were capricious. They make for some good stories.

I wish you very well on your journey. I hope you chose Life and Abundance and Joy.
 
I don’t want to be cute with a drive-by response, but here’s my two cents. The question is like asking if God could create a rock so large He couldn’t lift it. It’s a meaningless contradiction.

God created us and is therefore the cause of our existence. Because He is the cause of our existence, that existence resembles Him in some way. In particular, our existence is like Him because the soul is indestructible. (We are permanent, but God has the superlative perfection of permanence.) That is why I say it is like the question about the rock; He created our souls to be indestructible, so it is a contradiction to say He would destroy a soul. For God to contradict Himself would be a limit, and whatever being is limited is not infinite and therefore not God.

The particular phrasing of the question, that one could go to heaven while willing to cease to exist, also contains a contradiction. The people in heaven want to exist because they must exist in order to enjoy relationship with God. Those who lack a perfect desire for God will become perfect in purgatory. Those who reject God will join the eternally dead in hell, but will continue to exist because God made existence part of human nature.

My answer has probably not been very helpful, so you might want to check out THIS BOOK for a better explanation.
 
ANV said:
I don’t think anyone CHOOSES to eternally suffer. Still this doesn’t answer my reply 😛
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When choose to behave badly…no matter what faith they belong to…they choose to reject God and His goodness. It follows, that they suffer.

It’s the day before Holy Thursday, when Our Lord and Savior offered His very Body and Blood for our salvation.
I’m going to bow out of this “debate”.
I wish you peace, and I hope on the last day God shows you His face. And you are glad to be alive in His presence.
God bless you.
 
ANV said:
If you die and go to heaven, but wish to cease to exist instead, will your god make that happen?
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I would say no. It is impossible to be in heaven and wish to cease to exist. That wouldn’t be heaven but hell.
 
ANV said:
Maybe but also maybe he’s not a robot 😛
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I can prove:

That God {capitol G} exist

That YOU [and all humanity] emulate God is foretold in the bible Gen 1:26-27

That God certainly is NOT a robot {hence “you” {humanity} exist for a precise reason Isaiah 43: verses 7 & 21} If your actually interested, please let me know:shrug:

God Bless you, thanks for your post

Patrick
 
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