If you do Not believe that Blessed Mary is the Mother of God, than who do you believe Jesus Christ is?

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Roman_Korvinus said:
I find it odd how out of all the stories of crucifixion and resurrection you claim that Jesus alone is the only divine one. How many times was Set reported to have Killed Osiris?
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I dunno. How many times was it? Do you have any references you could provide? How many witnesses to this? Where was it documented?
 
Roman_Korvinus said:
I find it odd how out of all the stories of crucifixion and resurrection you claim that Jesus alone is the only divine one. How many times was Set reported to have Killed Osiris?
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There is extra-biblical, historical proof of Jesus’ existence. Sources such as Flavius Josephus (37-97 AD), Cornelius Tacitus (55-120 AD), The Jewish Talmud and others ALL testify to his existence.

By contrast, Osiris, Set, Horus, et al, were fairy tales.
 
elvisman said:
You can continue to play this silly game where you claim one thing, then claim something totally different without admitting self-contradiction, Just realize that you have been exposed.
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I believe I understand what Kev is saying. He does not agree with your understanding or definition of the church that started in the first century (sometime around Acts 1,2).

No games; no exposure; just misunderstanding.
 
Dokimas said:
I believe I understand what Kev is saying. He does not agree with your understanding or definition of the church that started in the first century (sometime around Acts 1,2).

No games; no exposure; just misunderstanding.
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Of course you do, Doki - anything to be contrary to me.

My beef with him is that he changes his definition of Church - not about the flaws of each definition.
 
elvisman said:
Of course you do, Doki - anything to be contrary to me.

My beef with him is that he changes his definition of Church - not about the flaws of each definition.
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Am I supposed to say I agree with you when I think you are wrong? Is that what you do?

I’ve seen some of what Kev says and my opinion is that you missunderstand him.
 
Dokimas said:
Am I supposed to say I agree with you when I think you are wrong? Is that what you do?

I’ve seen some of what Kev says and my opinion is that you missunderstand him.
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And you think that flip-flopping on a core belief is okay?**
Hmmm . . . that explains a lot, Doki.
 
elvisman said:
Can you point me to the Biblical passage that you can* reject* his Church and remain part of his Body?

Can you also either admit that you have contradicted yourself about Jesus alone being the Church, *instead *of Jesus and US?

As for “believers” - I honestly don***'t*** know what you’re talking about. I don’t know that a true* “believer*” can pick and choose what he wants to believe about Jesus while discarding the rest.
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I guess you don’t know what I meant when I said: "As far as the Jesus is the church, I"ll give you that.
 
ComeHome2Rome said:
Are those of you go around claiming that Mary is NOT the Mother of God, really ready to come to the only honest conclusion which could possibly come from that: Mary is the Mother of Jesus, but Mary is NOT the Mother of God; therefore, Jesus could NOT be God.

If you believe that Jesus is God, than you Must agree with your entire heart & proclaim that Mary IS the Mother of God!
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There are only two kinds of people who would reject the title of Jesus as the “Mother of God.” First, there are people who do not accept the doctrine of the Incarnation. These see Jesus as merely a prophet. The first manifestation of such was the Ebionites, but now we have naturalists, Jews, Muslims, and others like it. Second, there are those who reject it for theological reasons. The Assyrian Church of the East, that first group of Christians who broke away from the rest of the Church, believed that theotokos (eng. ‘mother of God") emphasizes Jesus’ divinity at the expense of His humanity. They preferred the title christokos (eng. “mother of Christ”).which retains both senses. This group clearly affirms the divinity of Jesus, just not the theological title “Mother of God” which they believed was unbalanced. They have recently signed a “Joint Christological Statement” with the pope, so this philological problem no longer exists. Hope that helps.

In His service,

Francis
 
Jesus is the son of god, not god the son.
Calling mary the mother of god is nothing short of blasphemy.
God has no mother, he is the alpha and omega the begining and the end.
Pray tell were exactly in the bible does it say “mary is the mother of god” it does not. No man preist pastor or pope has any power, only the words of the bible does.
 
Christadelphian said:
Jesus is the son of god, not god the son.
Calling mary the mother of god is nothing short of blasphemy.
God has no mother, he is the alpha and omega the begining and the end.
Pray tell were exactly in the bible does it say “mary is the mother of god” it does not. No man preist pastor or pope has any power, only the words of the bible does.
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Actually its the other way around. The Blasphemy is not understanding Mary, and who she is, then the jibberish with follows.

Its in Luke, Mother of the Lord. And Christ is God. 🤷

Only the word of the Bible, leaves one with only the word of the Bible compounded with the intellect of the one whos’ interpreting it. Thats a receipe for distaster. 🤷

How many class’s in school did you ever Ace without asking any question’s and the proper guidence?

btw what faith do you follow? Or what denomination?
 
Christadelphian said:
Jesus is the son of god, not god the son.
Calling mary the mother of god is nothing short of blasphemy.
God has no mother, he is the alpha and omega the begining and the end.
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If you deny Mary is the mother of God, then you deny Christ’s divinity.

No wonder non-Christians aren’t compelled to believe in Christianity. They see your arguments and say, “Yep, Jesus could not be divine. Even 'Christians” say that when they say that Mary was not the mother of God."
 
Mary, the Mother of Christ, the Mother of the Messiah, the Mother of the Human Incarnation of God, the Mother of the Divine when he took human form - all these may properly apply. Fine.
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 But the Mother of God? It may be a question of semantics, a problem inherent in the use of language, but the idea that God has/had a mother - in my limited brain (granted) - contradicts the very definition of God. God had/had no mother, no father. By the very nature of God, the Lord always was - 'as it was in the beginning, 'tis now and ever shall be'. To ascribe to him a human mother is to diminish him as well as elevate a creature above her very nature. I know this is 'heresy' culpable enough to warrant burning at the stake 500+ years ago, but fortunately we live in America in the 21st century which allows us to think for ourselves.

  Then, again, if people want to believe that Mary was the mother of God, if it gives them comfort and consolation, so be it. In this mammoth and mysterious world we all need concepts and understandings to live by, to provide us courage when confronting crises, so our myths, be they myths, are excusable. Certainly none of us can fathom the unknown and unknowable dimensions of this huge and magnificent universe on our own, so we are led by our limitations to seek help from faith that religion provides. 

 My question is: why do we insist that our understanding is the only valid one, that all the other great thinkers of others ages and cultures are mistaken? There is an arrogance in this attitude that offends me and offends many others. It makes traditional Catholicism appear to be narrow-minded and oppressive when it comes to the  freedom to wander the vast areas for theological exploration and arrive at various interpretations. I find such diversity stimulating. How dull a world it would be if we all conformed to the same cookie-cutter view of the world. While I embrace Christianity, there is much wisdom in the ancient teaching and writings of Hinduism, Buddhism, and other faith systems, and we should respect them and learn from them rather than treat them as inferior or  'heathenish'.

 God bless people of every creed, color, culture and country. May religion serve as a bridge rather than as a barrier.
 
Christadelphian said:
Jesus is the son of god, not god the son.
Calling mary the mother of god is nothing short of blasphemy.
God has no mother, he is the alpha and omega the begining and the end.
Pray tell were exactly in the bible does it say “mary is the mother of god” it does not. No man preist pastor or pope has any power, only the words of the bible does.
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Oh goody! A Christadelphian!👍 Ok my friend. so you in your post, are denying John chapter 1. you are also denying that Christ claimed to be the I AM? Your are also claiming Christ denied calling himself the Alpha and Omega in Revelation? You are also denying that the bible tells us to baptize in the NAME of the Father Son and Holy Ghost, instead of the NAMES? What about Jesus statement? I and the Father are ONE? I can go on and on and on and on and on…What does your bible say? Peace and welcome to the forums. Im glad to have ya.🙂
 
Roy 5-My question is: why do we insist that our understanding is the only valid one, that all the other great thinkers of others ages and cultures are mistaken? There is an arrogance in this attitude that offends me and offends many others. It makes traditional Catholicism appear to be narrow-minded and oppressive when it comes to the freedom to wander the vast areas for theological exploration and arrive at various interpretations. I find such diversity stimulating. How dull a world it would be if we all conformed to the same cookie-cutter view of the world. While I embrace Christianity, there is much wisdom in the ancient teaching and writings of Hinduism, Buddhism, and other faith systems, and we should respect them and learn from them rather than treat them as inferior or ‘heathenish’
ME- The only Arrogance and Elitist attitude I see here is yours my friend. Words mean things. Your views on freedom seem to me, to actually be oppresive. There is no freedom of conservative thought. God forbid we have any absolutes! That would be a Grave Sin indeed! God forbid there is a Higher Truth. That would just insult the Academics and Elitest among us. Feel free not to believe my friend. Thats your right. Many people find attitudes like yours arrogant and offensive. :mad: sorry folks, Im in a mood to fight tonight…LOL;)
 
HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD. PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW, AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. :signofcross:
 
We call Mary the Mother of God because Jesus is both fully God and fully Man. The great Church Council of Ephesus in 431 proclaimed this truth, expressing the orthodox faith of Christians in the mystery of Christ, that He is one Divine Person who is both true God and true man.

The Nestorians of that time were preaching that St. Mary was the Mother of Jesus but not the Mother of God. What the Council of Ephesus proclaimed was in part to counter the false belief of the Nestorians and to promulgate the catholic (that is, universal and reliable) belief about the nature of Christ and his Blessed Mother. St. Mary had the singular privilege of giving birth to the one who is both God and man, Jesus Christ, and hence she rightly can be called the “Theotokos,” often translated as “She who gave birth to the One who is God.”
 
benidict said:
HOLY MARY, MOTHER OF GOD. PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW, AND AT THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. :signofcross:
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:gopray:

O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary.
Pray for us O Holy Mother of God
That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.

:highprayer:
 
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