tis the easternization of Latin topics … this must cease :knight2:Lol Trent you are awsome:thumbsup: I know “Latinization” is bad, but anyone else feel a “Easternication” on these boards? I think I am just making up wordslol
We don’t have such “particles” locally. Is it because we buy hosts that do not produce them? Trying to sell the use of communion patens due to the particle issue you peak of is just a non-starter. If it were such a big deal, those that actually care would receive CIH.
The Communion Plate was irrelevant to the discussion, yet another straw-man argument. But if you somehow think it is relevant to your original comment, please feel free to quote and elaborate. And in no way was I “defending CITH” (I don’t need to “defend” it, the Church allows it by indult, and the Church can change it if she wishes) I was pointing out your error in your reasoning for receiving COTT, because you are bound by current Church teaching (which makes the deacon, who’s hands are not consecrated, the equal of the priest for distribution of Holy Communion), not what was Church teaching. Do you, or do you not get that? Try learning to eat new foods on your plate (current Church teaching) rather than picking through and eating the same old stuff (The Trent menu).Right, that’s what I said
And one part you left out was the one about the Communion Plate… it is to be used. Most places it’s not, which is an abuse of the permission for CITH.
Sorry, but you folks when defending CITH always do the ala carte thing when you dig out a document pertaining to an indult or permission to stray from the norm. Gotta learn to eat your vegetables
Right, that’s what I said, and have been saying.
That’s true but please don’t give the impression that a priest’s hands must be consecrated him him to confect the Blessed Sacrament in the Latin Rite. The priest of my Byzantine parish is bi-ritual. As a deacon he went through the process to change rites (with the support of his new church) before he was ordained a priest and the Holy See said no, that he would be bi-ritual (he carries a copy of the letter from the Holy See in his wallet.) His hands were never consecrated yet he now celebrates the EF along with the Eastern Divine Liturgies.
I prefer the more ancient method of CIH as well. The words “Take, eat, This is My Body…” sounds like CIH to me.
Catholic Church=Eastern Catholic and Western Catholic.
Actually it’s quite the opposite. The biggest problem with CIH is the fact that pieces of hosts (and occasionally entire hosts) are being found on the floors of churches after Mass. In the parish where I was raised I remember at least three appeals by the parish priest for people to be more careful because it had happened (don’t know what’s happened since I left home
). It is noticeable that those bishops who have in recent times mandated a return to COTT in their diocese have given that as their main reason - the fact that pieces of hosts and entire hosts are being found on the floor of their churches.Do you mean you don’t have particles because you’ve never seen them? Or you don’t have particles because you regularly check your palm after you’ve picked up the host to put into your mouth and you’ve never seen anything?
I wasn’t ‘trying to sell it’, I was responding to a similar statement by pointing out that this is something that all the post V2 documents that mention reception of communion contain some version of ‘the use of the communion plate should be retained to prevent the host or particles of it from falling on the ground’. (P.S. I know this because I went off and looked up all the post V2 documents that mention how Communion is to be received to check out something ‘At Trent’ said on a different matter
), Now maybe ‘particles’ is a poor word/translation maybe ‘crumbs’ or ‘pieces’ would be better, because it wouldn’t carry that connotation of ‘miniscule’. The use of the communion plate doesn’t have to be ‘sold’, it’s mandated by the Church, no matter which way Communion is received. And the fact is that pieces of the host do fall, and even if it’s only 10% or 1% of the time at least when it happens the plate will be there (my experience is much higher, but as someone else said it seems to vary depending on the type of host used).– Nicole
Hey don’t role your eyes at me, maybe read around and you will see that this is one of the reasons why B16 switched to this practice. Just trying to inform you.
Because it is the Historic Tradition. From the Apostles/Priests hand Directly on Tongue, Because it Is Jesus Christ Himself for us to receive directly. Vatican Ii returned us to a Much Earlier form of Mass, the Second Century Native Language, One Prasyerr by the Priest being From Then, and option of Consecrated in Hand, with Original Chewing recommended. Novus Ordo is Not New idea, but reconstruction of Earliest known Forms, Including the Sign of Peace Initiated by the Apostles. Vivat Jesu