If you ran this country poll..

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WorBlux:
Not all use is abuse. What about the societal effects of alchohol abuse? Why don’t we ban that? I think our nation has already tried that and failed miserably, not only did the government find the policy to enforce and that it cost millions of dollars, but also that did not lower alchohol consumption except for the immediate few years following the enacting of prohibition. Homocide rates increased. Alchoholism rates inreased. Illegal smuggling thrived. Law enforement agencies couldn’t keep up and they were made a laughing stock. Disrespect for the law increased. 15 years later the noble experiment was abonded. To this day alchohol and tobacco, the legal drugs do more damage than all the illegal ones combined.

When the marijuana tax act was passed over 3 million people who were not criminals the day before, sudenly found themselves criminals. America gained 3 million criminals overnight.

A victimless crime is an illegal act for witch no specific single person or group can be identified that were harmed or endangered against thier will.

A small minority of the adult population uses drugs, but it is a large enough number to wreck havoc on the legal system. Drug laws are unfair laws, They cannot be enforce effectively or evenly. Drug arrests do not deter drug use because the chance is that a careful purchaser and consumer of drugs will never be caught, especially if they are white middle or upper class.
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Not to mention that the “war on drugs” is a huge government-industry partership so when one examines closely it is evident that the system is designed NOT to reduce drug use but to perpetuate the battle. If illegal drug use were halted, the economy would suffer terrible lashback. Suddenly we’d have a great chunk of federal budget up for grabs and politicians, industry (drug testing, prison medical services, etc) alike would be thrown off course.

I’m not sure but that’s one of the reasons we don’t use technology to decisively deal with our borders better; we don’t actually want to fix the problem because there’s too much money in the problem as it exists.

Alan
 
BlindSheep said:
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This may seem a little silly, but bear with me. I’m tired of hearing people claim that we (Catholics, Christians, religious people in general) want to “force our morality” on the nation. I don’;t know about you, but I believe that it’s the job of the govenment to prevent people from hurting/violating the rights of others, and this is a moral issue itself. I don’t, however, think that moral issures concerning the individual only (condoms, church attendence, drugs used in one’s own home) are the government’s business. Abortion harms another human being (the unborn child) and therefore falls in the first category. But I want to get your thoughts on this question. What is the legitimate role of the govenment when it comes to moral issues?
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I tend to agree with your point of view.

I voted for rape, robbery, and abortion. They are objectively crimes of violence human against another human.

The others are morality issues or personal preference in the case of drugs, and even if guns could enforce them it would rob those who are obedient to their calling of their rewards in heaven, since coerced obedience cannot be objectively distinguished from free will obedience - even by the one who is doing the obeying.

Specifically with regard to societal effects of drug use, may I point out that in most cases having laws against drugs have actually created these effects, not the use of the drugs themselves. For example, the war on drugs places blame on individuals who use drugs for funding terrorism. In fact, there would be no terrorism involved in drug sales except for the laws themselves – so it is a system that feeds itself.

Further, I am convinced that the drug war, by replacing actual science with political agenda, have made the problem worse. Drug education tends to teach kids that the difference between “good” and “bad” drugs is primarily based on their legality and not their effects. That has had some side effects, and I rather suspect one of them is the increased use of cocaine – at least in one context I am absolutely certain of it. In the early 80s, I used to smoke pot with people who worked on the Air Force Base here in town. Then came “random” drug testing, and they could no longer smoke pot because they would fail their tests. What did they do? Switched to cocaine, which they could use on Friday night and then test clear on Monday. Luckily I did not go with them on that change, as my employer was not doing random tests. IMO, cocaine (and thus crack I suppose, which I’m not sure I’d recognize if I even saw it) is far more dangerous either short term or long term than marijuana, not to mention more expensive and thus leading to yet more crime.

Alan
 
I didn’t vote because the poll is silly and useless i my opionion. I don’t want to force my morality on fellow citizens, I want to force legislators judges and government officials to abide by the Constitution of the Unites States which protects the God-given rights of all, not just those who make the laws, and which they are sworn to uphold, protect and defend.
 
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puzzleannie:
I didn’t vote because the poll is silly and useless i my opionion. I don’t want to force my morality on fellow citizens, I want to force legislators judges and government officials to abide by the Constitution of the Unites States which protects the God-given rights of all, not just those who make the laws, and which they are sworn to uphold, protect and defend.
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Well, maybe you missed this but the point I’m trying to make is that prolifers are not trying to force our morality on people, but doing just what you said…
 
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BlindSheep:
Well, maybe you missed this but the point I’m trying to make is that prolifers are not trying to force our morality on people, but doing just what you said…
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This perhaps is true, but this is how you get answers in a blind poll.

One issue the poll doesn’t address, is how the same population that voted behaves in public. There is a lot of pressure for a Catholic to speak almost as harshly against contraception as abortion when in public. The poll probably is more accurate indicator of actual beliefs because it is anonymous.

Alan
 
hi all, the Catholic church is ttrying to impose its will on the people of the U S A , HOW DO YOU THINK SOUTH DACOYTA HAPPENED , WHEN PEOPLE LIKE THE POPE SPEAK OUT ABOUT SOME THING AND OTHERS PICK UP THE MANTLE AND USE IT TO PASS LAWS, IS THIS NOT (name removed by moderator)OSING THE CHURCHS WILL YOURS MICHAELMAC PS THIS IS (name removed by moderator)OSING A DICTATORSHIP ON EVERY ONE
 
The Catholic Church in Ireland made its biggest admission yet: 102 of its Dublin priests, past and present or 3.6 % of the total are suspected of sexually abusing children.
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This is the last time I’m going to respond to you, but you post a good article-3.6% of priests were involved in this attrocity yet you act like the whole Catholic Church is full of pedophiles or homosexual rapists etc. The Church is no way supports such actions, has never and will never. Until you get that through your head, and quit making baseless claims you will never know the truth. I’m sorry that you cannot do this.

Also, you have yet to show us how this is shows that the Catholic Church is not the True Church. Quite frankly, there is no point in trying because you haven’t done anything but post emotionalistic drivel.

Thus, I would ask you to ask yourself why you are even bothering to post on these boards if all you do is insist upon throwing mud at Holy Mother Church…
 
Hi ComradeAndrei, in my posts im trying to find out why people,who are from the ONE TRUE CHURCH AS YOU PUT IT,cannot understand about honesty and justice,??? , how do you expect me to respect any of the hirarchy of the church , when most Catholics refuse to condemn out right the actions of people like Cardinal law , Cardinal Connell , Cardinal George, Cardinal Egan or the many others who did the same thing, plus the leader of the Church in England and Wales who LIED about abuse of Children , my friends who have being reading these posts and are members of this forum ,are puzzled by your blindness to face the truth, they like me live in the real world , where the actions of the CHURCH HAVE NOT BEEN CHRISTIAN, this is just one reason why some of my friends are suing the Church, is because poeople who fill the pews in different churchs a round the world did and still are turning there backs on victims of abuse, yours michaelmac
 
Hi ComeradeAndrei please comment on this Widow sues priest, Catholic Church after husband commits suicide
By Robert Patrick
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
03/13/2006

A St. Louis area widow filed a wrongful death suit against a jailed priest and the Catholic Church Monday, claiming the priest’s sexual abuse of her late husband caused him to commit suicide last year.
The man, known in court papers as “John Doe GS,” filed his own lawsuit just two months before his death. The suit says Romano Ferraro abused him at St. Joan of Arc parish in south St. Louis multiple times between 1980 and 1983, when the man was between 10 and 11 years old, and says the St. Louis Archdiocese knew or should have known that Ferraro was a danger.

His wife, also filing anonymously as Mary Doe GS, is amending the lawsuit on behalf of her self and her husband’s estate and changing the wording to reflect his death.

John Doe GS, a computer industry worker, suppressed his memory of the abuse until the latter half of 2004, the lawsuits say. He struggled with episodic depression throughout his life. When he finally realized the root cause, he began to suffer more severe bouts of depression and attempted suicide on multiple occasions, even though he aggressively sought therapy, according to the lawsuits and a statement released by the widow Monday. He died of a gunshot wound on July 14, 2005. yours michaelmac
 
Hi all not sure if right place for this hope it can be put some were Recognising sexual abuse

Examination of the genitalia and anus should be performed by a paediatrician with experience in the area of sexual abuse; therefore, if the history points to this, refer urgently. It is important that the child is not subjected to multiple examinations.
Any features that suggest interference with the genitalia.
These may include bruising, swelling, abrasions or tears.
Soreness, itching or unexplained bleeding from penis, vagina or anus.
Sexual abuse may lead to secondary enuresis or faecal soiling and retention.
Symptoms of a sexually transmitted disease such as vaginal discharge or genital warts, or pregnancy in adolescent girls.
Children who have been sexually abused may demonstrate inappropriate sexualised knowledge and behaviour.
Low self-esteem, depression and self-harm are all associated with sexual abuse.
Children may disclose sexual abuse themselves.
this is what most victims suffer yours michaelmac
 
melbourne_guy said:
You forgot homosexuality and pornography.
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And the death penalty, celebs and gays and corrupt politicians, Congress, The Senate and fancy televised awards shows. And Celeb marriages. Oh, and greed and the rich and famous lifstyles. And tax shekters,
 
MikeinSD said:
He likely meant homosexuality. That way good Christians can get their hands on gay men’s money and property. The Lord helps those who help themselves…to… 😃
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nah, i dont think id feel comfortable if i recieved the used bed of a homosexual. 😃
 
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