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BobP123
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Defiance of/against the Pope is another thread, bb.
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BobP123
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At least the trans fats. That should make the progressives happy.
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Neil_Anthony
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Well I just think that it should be emphasized as much as lust is. Why is anything at all to do with lust a MORTAL sin, but you can stuff yourself till you’re double your healthy weight and no one seems to care.
It’s about addressing things that are becoming new problems… with gluttony as a capital sin the church has an opportunity to help with the obesity crisis. And certainly the obesity problem is a sign that we aren’t as spiritual as we should… I know for me food is an idol at times, and I just wish the church would make it clear that it should be more of a priority.
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catharina
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Since gluttony is already ranked as a capial sin, isn’t it up to each of us to examine our consciences in that regard. Because we live in a part of the Western World where sex saturates the media (and therefore to some extent, our daily lives), we need to be sure that our consciences are up to the task of self-examination. Since the Church has ranked the seven as capital sins - and we know that - why blame the Church for our failing?
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Brendan
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Actually, we’ve been going backwards for several decades now, what everyone is talking about is FORWARD movement.
‘Backwards’ implies that we have actually been making some king of progress, which isn’t the case.
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Neil_Anthony
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I don’t really know what a capital sin is. Do you have to confess them? Aren’t they the cause of sin rather than actual sins themselves?
Why blame the church… goodness, I was just offering a suggestion. It’s not a failure, its an opportunity to increase the relevance of church teachings to the problems of society, that’s all. That’s the contribution I’d make as pope. I’m not running for pope though, so don’t worry
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Genesis315
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None. I would take the name Celestine VI and then resign and go back to my cave…
I think those who simply want to excommunicate tons of individuals should review some history–severity is sometimes a good policy and sometimes not. There’s always been saintly people who wanted just that and there’s always been other saintly people who wanted otherwise. Check out these pairs: St. Victor I and St. Ireneaus; St. Hypollitus and St. Callistus I; St. Stephen I and St. Sixtus II; St. Basil and St. Damasus I; St. Peter Damian and St. Leo IX; etc. They represent the times when the choice for severity was not made (even though one of the parties in each pair desired severity). It’s good to look at instances where severity was not chosen, and then compare it instances when severity was chosen and see why the different approaches were taken in the different circumstances. Then, compare it to the instances in more recent times when severity has not been chosen and times when it has been.
I think then you might see the Pope, by not doing what you all would do, might be acting with more wisdom and knowledge than we have.
I think those who simply want to excommunicate tons of individuals should review some history–severity is sometimes a good policy and sometimes not. There’s always been saintly people who wanted just that and there’s always been other saintly people who wanted otherwise. Check out these pairs: St. Victor I and St. Ireneaus; St. Hypollitus and St. Callistus I; St. Stephen I and St. Sixtus II; St. Basil and St. Damasus I; St. Peter Damian and St. Leo IX; etc. They represent the times when the choice for severity was not made (even though one of the parties in each pair desired severity). It’s good to look at instances where severity was not chosen, and then compare it instances when severity was chosen and see why the different approaches were taken in the different circumstances. Then, compare it to the instances in more recent times when severity has not been chosen and times when it has been.
I think then you might see the Pope, by not doing what you all would do, might be acting with more wisdom and knowledge than we have.
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catharina
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Amen.
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catharina
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Yes, all are sins and can be either mortal or venial and should be confessed. Glad you’ve decided not to run for Pope since the name “Pope Noah” might take a big adjustment since Noah was married and all. (Re the capital sins, check the Catechism.)I don’t really know what a capital sin is. Do you have to confess them? Aren’t they the cause of sin rather than actual sins themselves?
Why blame the church… goodness, I was just offering a suggestion. It’s not a failure, its an opportunity to increase the relevance of church teachings to the problems of society, that’s all. That’s the contribution I’d make as pope. I’m not running for pope though, so don’t worry
Here’s one link: look for # 1866.
72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:271-tNKtNKUJ:www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c1a8.htm+ccc,+1866,+capital+sins&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&ie=UTF-8
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Wolseley
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That’s pretty close to what I might do. Probably, I’d issue a mandate saying, “Return with me to December 1st, 1965. Everything is now exactly as it was then. Now: we’re going to start this over again, and this time, we’re going to do it right.” And we’d begin with Vatican II, before the dissent, before the Novus Ordo, before the mistakes. And we’d institute Vatican II as it was supposed to instituted, minus the excesses of the Sickening Sixties, Silly Seventies, and Egotistical Eighties.
You mean “Obsolete Countercultural Pablum”. That’s what “OCP” really stands for.
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joelacour
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*]End all diplomatic relations/concordats. God does not need an ambassador. Aposalic Delegate, yes; Papal Nuncio, no. By doing so, the Church then does not have a conflict when she criticizes a nation state for not following God’s Law.
*]Rely on Power of the Spirit. That’s the only power the Christ promised the Church. The rest is secular.
*]Yearly visit to Jerusalem. Yes, it’s the Roman Catholic Church, but He started it all by rising from the dead in Jerusalem.
*]There was nothing wrong with Vatican II – just what was made of it. Re-publish the V2 documents with a commentary. Sort of “What the Council Really Says”.
*]Clean up the translations to more faithfully agree with the Latin. For the life of me, I can’t figure out how Et cum Spiritu tu tuo = And also with you.
*]I know there is Vatican TV, but is it 24/7? There are tons of wonderful things about the Catholic Church that need to be publicized in a more positive manner.
*]If you’re going to excommunicate someone, do it publically. I love the excommunication scene in Beckett
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Mannyfit75
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- Work on reunification with our Eastern Orthodox Church.
- Liturgical Reform, mandate the use of classical gregorant chants, adapt some of the Eastern Rite liturgy into the Latin such as more incense, and make the liturgy more Byzantine.
- Strict disciplinary ruling on Catholic dissenters.
- Make a new English translation of the Latin Vulgate.
- Travel around the World and spread the Gospel just like Pope John Paul II.
- Prepare Another Ecumenical Council which would address new challenges of the 21st Century and beyond, such as Global Warming, Protestantism in Latin America, Stem Cell research (need to have a define Magisterial on the issue on stem cell, and any issue that is a challenge to the Catholic Church today)
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jremb
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I’d resign immediately, lest my pride and self-will block the Holy Spirit’s voice and I bring disgrace upon the office.
Few people want to be Pope, and those who desire the office are the last who should take it. Nonetheless, God’s foolishness is wiser than man’s wisdom and the Holy Spirit is never wrong…
Few people want to be Pope, and those who desire the office are the last who should take it. Nonetheless, God’s foolishness is wiser than man’s wisdom and the Holy Spirit is never wrong…
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bones_IV
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- Excommunicate all doctors caught distributing the Plan B pill
- Excommunicate Kerry, Kennedy, Guilianni, Pelosi
- Have Popes Pius XII, John XXIII, John Paul II canonized. and Piux IX too
just had to say that - Declare Mary as Co-Mediatrix, Co-Redeemer to be Infallible dogma
- If bishops don’t obey, fire them.
- Excommunicate priests like Mcbrein, Reese, Greely and forbid them from teaching.
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Robert_Burke
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If could do just one thing as Pope, I would bring back the communion rail and mandate that everyone receive communion on the tongue while kneeling (the elderly and those with mobility problems would be excused from kneeling).
I think this one requiremente would go a long way towards reestablishing respect and reverence for the Eucharist.
I think this one requiremente would go a long way towards reestablishing respect and reverence for the Eucharist.
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Wolseley
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Another thing I would mandate:
Unless it was the celebrant reciting the rubrics of the Mass, or the choir or congregation singing a hymn, there would be absolute SILENCE before, during, and after Mass.
No applause. No announcements about the Altar Society cookie sale. No musicians “warming up”. No “Everyone please raise your right hands in blessing”. No congregants jabbering at each other like a pack of monkeys. No glad-handing and guffawing in the vestibules.
Absolute SILENCE.
You’re in a holy place, before the very throne of God. So act like it. Everything else can go to the parish hall, or out in the street. But not inside the church.
Unless it was the celebrant reciting the rubrics of the Mass, or the choir or congregation singing a hymn, there would be absolute SILENCE before, during, and after Mass.
No applause. No announcements about the Altar Society cookie sale. No musicians “warming up”. No “Everyone please raise your right hands in blessing”. No congregants jabbering at each other like a pack of monkeys. No glad-handing and guffawing in the vestibules.
Absolute SILENCE.
You’re in a holy place, before the very throne of God. So act like it. Everything else can go to the parish hall, or out in the street. But not inside the church.
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Andreas_Hofer
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But if you were to excommunicate all those people, wouldn’t that be saying the Church isn’t fine just as she is? - right now, all those people are in good standing, so you would be messing with her perfection if you booted them.
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AJV
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Before anything I’d make sure that I have a good chapel and a good doctor because I’d be sure to get one big headache…
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