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[Maranatha]

Edwin,

I believe you are sincere and charitable but from you statements you have not fully accepted the Holy Spirit in to your heart. You believe your revelations are from God but they are really from your own ego. As Catholics we believe you have to accept all the teachings of Christ’s ministry and not just part of them. I suggest you try this - go to a Catholic Mass and ask God where you can find the full Truth of his revelation. Please, Please, Please accept God’s full revelation.

Peace

 

[jax8686]

WCKnight, just to clarify, Mother Theresa, as i have been told, said in her autobiography that she did not feel the spirit AT ALL through her entire religious life, meaning that after the time she joined the religious order, she ceased to feel any presence of the spirit… and Edwin, please do not judge the fullness of the Spirit, the knowledge, wisdom, practice or any other characteristics of the Catholics on this site, or off! this site was not designed for the purpose of receiving ridicule from self-praising protestants, it is designed for Catholics to discuss and debate techniques, stratagies, and information based on apologetics, so if you cannot abide by the simple rules set forward by the Catholic Apologetics moderators, please leave, otherwise, God Bless you, and Keep faithfully inquiring about the truth of the Catholic Church

 

[RattleSnake]

Sorry Edwin, my friend.

I have to TOTALLY disagree with you. I am very MUCH led by the Spirit. And love the Lord with all my heart.

And am thankful He loves me back. You are wrong here.

You are not my judge. I hope someday you realize that you do not hold such powers.

I can tell you many stories about my experiences with God.

God Bless.

Vinko/Rattlesnake

 

[vern_humphrey]

edwinG:

Hi vern humphrey,
Standing by the cross is not a process. Learning to follow His leading is.

Teaching is a process. Learning is a product. Trust me – I have two graduate degress and a lot of experince in the field.

edwinG:

To answer your question. As I have stated, I do not know. You have repeatedly asked this same question. As I stated, I could easily go to the catholic bible and obtain the answer which would satisfy you. I do not know if that answer is correct, but it is the only answer you would accept as correct.

There is no “correct” answer as I have shown.

The point is not in finding, but in having the courage to look and study – something you have shown you lack.

edwinG:

Yes the church is Christ and He alone is our teacher, not some man made church be it catholic or otherwise. Your lack of desire to understand is disheartening…

Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

edwinG:

You also show a complete lack of Him. Your very words portray your unfamiliarity. Hopefully you will be blessed because of your ignorance and not guilty of speaking against Him…

That is insulting and uncalled for. Such accusations have no place in gentlemanly debate.

edwinG:

Please seek Him, the Holy Spirit so Jesus can teach you. It is in scripture. Surely you believe Christ is your teacher and that the Holy Spirit is available to you. Why do you insist on locking Him out. Your words are very plain and demonstrate you do not live by His leading. Please try.
walk in love
edwinG

Given the amount of formal and informal study I have undertaken – and given your lack of courage to attempt even a simple exercise – I don’t think you have any standing to pretend others do not seek understanding.

 

[jax8686]

k, i have one question… WHAT EXACTLY ARE WE DEBATING HERE??? from all i can see, we are simply trying to justify and refute a bunch of insults about our faith, and the Spirit within us… so if we have no real topic of debate (which has obviously gone from the topic of practicing on doctor doom), then let us all GROW UP, realise some people are too thick headed to accept the fact that they are not the only one living in the spirit, and give up this futile argument! CATHOLICS, you can at least stand united on this!!! and Edwin, about the Anticatbot, look at the link, if you would have even read the link without ignorantly replying about it, you would have realized it is another thread on the forum, commenting on the thick headed protestant replys that keep coming up over and over and over and over etc. I Pray that The Lord Our God, Jesus Our Saviour, and The Communion of Saints Will Guide You To The Truth

God Bless You
“Know I’ll always love you, but right now i just dont like you” - Reliant K

 

[Vinko]

edwinG:

Tell me Vinko, which site now, today, has witnessing to His leading. Can you give me the heading and the post number so I can go there and read of Him in your life.
Do this and give joy to me.
walk in love
edwinG

Edwin, I don’t even know what you are talking about.

In addition… you need to stop judging people and telling them they do not have the Holy Spirit in them.

I am not sure YOU have the Spirit by your self -appointing you have done in discerning others… The Spirit does not work that way.

 

[edwinG]

jimmy:

You sound pretty arrogant Edwin. It is not for you to decide who has the Spirit and who does not.

Hi jimmy,
I did write that every Christian has the Holy Spirt. So if you are a Christian you have Him. The question is " Are you listening to Him"

Make me happy then jimmy. Witness for me and the members on this list.
Is it wrong that I should want you to Praise Christ by witnessing and edifying all who read. Is it wrong for me to want you to share in this joy. Should I keep this to myself or do as I am told. Should my light be hidden under the table? I am telling you Jimmy that with His leading your life will be transformed. It is in line with Roman Catholic teaching. Seek Him, and if He doesnt come, ask yourself why and He will tell you.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Darrel:

Hi Edwin,

Thank you for the kind and caring words. I actualy accepted Christ into my heart well over 20 years ago as a protestant. I recently began my conversion into the Catholic Church. This took place after our Lord and savior Jesus Christ who I already knew revealed himself to me in the Eucharist at an Adoration Chapel.

-D

Hi Darrel,
My prayer for you is that you grow in Him and in His love and abundance.
Christ be with you
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

wcknight:

This is where I felt you were misquoting:

BTW, I don’t really care what some un-named Catholic friend of yours is supposed to have said about Mother Theresa.

IF as you claim she wrote that in her book, then just maybe you are a far better saint than she is. I seriously doubt it but hey I don’t really know you. Good for you, St, EdwinG !

From JAxx866 posted yesterday at 11:40

IF as you say you often feel the presence of the Holy Spirit, why don’t you answer some of the questions posed to you ?

For one filled the Holy Spirit as you claim, I find your posts somewhat arrogant and deceptive. You come here trying to lure Catholics from what you perceive to be a false faith, yet you can not even prove that what you have is any closer to the Truth.

For example, why is it that IF your KJV Bible is God’s unalterable Truth, how Protestants can remove several books from it and still claim it is unimpeachable.

And IF the Holy Spirit automatically guides everyone who reads the Bible to make the correct interpretation of scriptures each and every time, how can 10,000 ministers come up with 10,000 different interpretations for their congregations ? Should they not agree with each and every interpretation for each and every passage ?

We have one interpretation, the Churches, as truly guided by the Holy Spirit, not 10,000 or more. We are guided by the successor to St. Peter as directed and authorized by Jesus Himself, as written in scriptures. We don’t run off and go create our own church each time we disagree with a ministers view about one passage or another.

Please tell us again, what is it, that is so attractive about your faith ???

wc

Hi wcknight,
God alone is what is attractive about my faith.And He sent Christ His only begotton Son is what is so attractive about my faith. And Christ sent God’s Holy and Almighty Spirit to us after He ascended so we wouldn’t be without Him, Christ. So now in my faith, I have Christ still, except as Spirit. My spiritual life is not muddled up by confusion . I have Him **alone, **as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Can you understand, Him alone. I dont need men’s wisdom, I need only Him. Christ is my teacher, the Holy Spirit leads me to where Christ wants to go. I cant see Christ but He is real and alive, I dont have all the thousands of rules made by men. I just follow Him. Christ wont lead me to a prostitute, or anywhere or to anything which is sin.( I still sin as I struggle to give up my will completely) My life is simple. He also leads me to peace,abundance and joy.
Why wont you listen to Him also. Life takes on a new meaning when you are under His wing.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Maranatha:

Edwin,

I believe you are sincere and charitable but from you statements you have not fully accepted the Holy Spirit in to your heart. You believe your revelations are from God but they are really from your own ego. As Catholics we believe you have to accept all the teachings of Christ’s ministry and not just part of them. I suggest you try this - go to a Catholic Mass and ask God where you can find the full Truth of his revelation. Please, Please, Please accept God’s full revelation.

Peace

Hi Maranatha,
You have a kind heart Maranatha. God bless you.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

jax8686:

WCKnight, just to clarify, Mother Theresa, as i have been told, said in her autobiography that she did not feel the spirit AT ALL through her entire religious life, meaning that after the time she joined the religious order, she ceased to feel any presence of the spirit… and Edwin, please do not judge the fullness of the Spirit, the knowledge, wisdom, practice or any other characteristics of the Catholics on this site, or off! this site was not designed for the purpose of receiving ridicule from self-praising protestants, it is designed for Catholics to discuss and debate techniques, stratagies, and information based on apologetics, so if you cannot abide by the simple rules set forward by the Catholic Apologetics moderators, please leave, otherwise, God Bless you, and Keep faithfully inquiring about the truth of the Catholic Church

Hi jax8686,
Thank you for your honesty.
I am not on here to ridicule, but to exhort. Should I hide what Christ is doing for me. Should I not share the Joy I have in my life, because I listen to and follow as closely as I can the leading of the Holy Spirit. Do I say anything which is against Christ. Do my words lead away from or towards Him. Why should they upset anyone. What I have is free. You can have it too. You dont have to leave the Roman Catholic Church or disobey it. But you probably have to stop praying to Mary and the saints and believe in Him alone. This is not against your belief. Why is it so difficult?
Walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

RattleSnake:

Sorry Edwin, my friend.

I have to TOTALLY disagree with you. I am very MUCH led by the Spirit. And love the Lord with all my heart.

And am thankful He loves me back. You are wrong here.

You are not my judge. I hope someday you realize that you do not hold such powers.

I can tell you many stories about my experiences with God.

God Bless.

Vinko/Rattlesnake

Hi Vinko/Rattlesnake,
Praise Christ. I know He loves everyone because this too He has taught me.
I cant judge you or anyone nor does God yet but I want to increase your joy and fullness in life.
Please tell me some of the experiences in your life. These experiences are the fertilizer for the soil in which our seed of faith grows.
These experiences build up all people and make us hungry for Christ.
Thank you again
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

vern humphrey:

Teaching is a process. Learning is a product. Trust me – I have two graduate degress and a lot of experince in the field.

There is no “correct” answer as I have shown.

Hi vern humphrey,
You have two graduate degrees and a lot of experience and faith in your learning and possibly in your teaching. I dont have a degree or a lot of experience. I do however follow the leading of the Holy Spirit as much as I can. I would choose the Holy Spirit any day. How beautiful He is.

As to their is no correct answer.
How wrong could you be. Of course there is a correct answer. We just dont know it.

The point is not in finding, but in having the courage to look and study – something you have shown you lack.

Your methodology lacks wisdom. I answered simply and honestly, " I do not know" I also stated that if I wanted to satisy YOU all I had to do was go to a catholic reference book. But I could not do that as to give an answer which may be wrong would be incorrect. If your answer is " There is no correct answer and this is what your magerstrium teachers it is obviously wrong" Christ at least knows, and we will all know one day. Yes there is a correct answer. If your degrees can not show you this you should look for another teacher.

Funny, I was going to say the same thing about you.http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon12.gif

That is insulting and uncalled for. Such accusations have no place in gentlemanly debate.

Given the amount of formal and informal study I have undertaken – and given your lack of courage to attempt even a simple exercise – I don’t think you have any standing to pretend others do not seek understanding.

Given that you could not see the truth of your own question,
Given that the vigor of its giving indicates that it has been used so many times before
Given that you have used it to condemn others
Now , that you have some understanding, I hope you will go back to the ones before and ask their forgiveness.
Given that your bullying attitude is not conducive to learning, you will ask God for forgiveness and in love and a newness of Him seek His paths.
walk in love
edwinG

 

[edwinG]

Vinko:

Edwin, I don’t even know what you are talking about.

In addition… you need to stop judging people and telling them they do not have the Holy Spirit in them.

I am not sure YOU have the Spirit by your self -appointing you have done in discerning others… The Spirit does not work that way.

Hi Vinko/RattleSnake
I was talking about witnessing. Please tell me where on this list I can find some witnessing. Your claim that all here are lead by the Holy Spirit means that many people here would be sharing their joyous experiences with one another. No one does a work for Christ then keeps it a secret. Doing some work for Him is so uplifting one must simply shout it out and spread their joy. So I am asking you to show me where I can read about this on the list. Which thread and which number.
As I cant find these stories, I am thinking that people are not experiencing working for Christ. You cant be following the leading of the Holy Spirit and not “do” something as well as be taught.
Again and again, I am not saying you dont have the Holy Spirit. I am saying you are not listening to Him.

Please tell me how the Holy Spirit works.

Walk in love
edwinG

 

[Deus_Solus]

Edwin, God bless…I think you have a good heart and mean all the best in trying to tell others about your faith, but are going about it the wrong way.

edwinG:

Your claim that all here are lead by the Holy Spirit means that many people here would be sharing their joyous experiences with one another.

You misunderstand that these forums are meant for people who have questions about issues of faith and wish to discuss them. Experiencing the joy of fellowshipping with other believers is integral to the faith, but internet forums are not necessarily the place for that.

edwinG:

No one does a work for Christ then keeps it a secret. Doing some work for Him is so uplifting one must simply shout it out and spread their joy.

Sharing joy is good. Telling others about the good you are doing and receiving their praise for it is not God’s intention (cf. Matthew 6:1-8).

edwinG:

I discern this by your words. Your words do not reflect your being led by the Holy Spirit. If you would speak the words which showed that you were led by the Holy Spirit my heart would sing with joy. I am sad that you do not have Him because in Him life becomes meaningful and abundant.

Others’ indignant response to these statements, while not exhibiting Christ-like humility, is understandable. You are basing your judgments on your own “discerning”, which like anyone else’s Spirit-given capability for discerning is far from infallible. (cf. Matthew 7:1-5) You must understand that people come on these forums all the time to question the faith of the Catholics here, and arguments like yours have been heard many times before. Be careful and charitable in what you say.

edwinG:

But you probably have to stop praying to Mary and the saints and believe in Him alone. This is not against your belief. Why is it so difficult?

Any Catholic would tell you that it is Christ’s work on the Cross alone that makes it possible for us to be reconciled to Him. It is not Mary or the saints who are the authors of salvation, that is not the Church’s teaching. You would do well to try to understand the Catholic position from a Catholic perspective before disparaging it. The website www.catholic.com has many good short tracts that you should read.

Edwin, I rejoice with you for the faith in Christ that you have found that infuses your life with such joy. Given the chance, I am sure the majority of the posters on this site would be able to give similar accounts of God’s grace working in their lives.

I would greatly encourage you to explore the teachings of the Catholic Church. Read the Church Fathers and listen to the joy with which they proclaim faith in Christ in the same breath that they exhort believers to follow in theology that is admittedly Catholic. Many of these believers wrote within 200 years of the death of the Apostle John, before the New Testament canon was even determined, and spoke of practices and beliefs that only the Catholic Church holds today. Read Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp, Irenaeus, and Justin Martyr among others…men who were Spirit-filled, and certain of God’s leading. Remember Jeremiah 29:13 and seek Him with all your heart. You may yet discover that the Catholic Church holds the fullness and richness of Christ’s teaching.

 

[vern_humphrey]

edwinG:

Hi vern humphrey,
You have two graduate degrees and a lot of experience and faith in your learning and possibly in your teaching. I dont have a degree or a lot of experience. I do however follow the leading of the Holy Spirit as much as I can. I would choose the Holy Spirit any day. How beautiful He is.

Then why do you accuse other people of not having or listening to the Holy Spirit?

edwinG:

As to their is no correct answer.
How wrong could you be. Of course there is a correct answer. We just dont know it…

You were given a chance to answer the question – you lacked the courage to try.

edwinG:

Your methodology lacks wisdom…

Where is the wisdom and courage in hiding and refusing to meet challenges?

edwinG:

I answered simply and honestly, " I do not know"

Yet you pretend you know more than everyone else.

edwinG:

I also stated that if I wanted to satisy YOU all I had to do was go to a catholic reference book. But I could not do that as to give an answer which may be wrong would be incorrect. If your answer is " There is no correct answer and this is what your magerstrium teachers it is obviously wrong"

Want to translate that into English?

The point is, you lack the background, education and courage to wrestle with problems like this.

edwinG:

Christ at least knows, and we will all know one day. Yes there is a correct answer. If your degrees can not show you this you should look for another teacher.

I note that YOU were not even willing to address the question, let alone come up with a reasoned answer!!

edwinG:

Given that you could not see the truth of your own question,
Given that the vigor of its giving indicates that it has been used so many times before.

Again, please use English.

edwinG:

Given that you have used it to condemn others
Now , that you have some understanding, I hope you will go back to the ones before and ask their forgiveness…

Wrong – only to you. And you failed.

edwinG:

Given that your bullying attitude is not conducive to learning, you will ask God for forgiveness and in love and a newness of Him seek His paths.
walk in love
edwinG

Christ told us to cast the beam out of our own eyes before dealing with the speck in other people’s eyes. You don’t seem to be familiar with that.

Again, you lack the courage – as well as the knowledge – to deal with religious questions.

 

[Scalia]

CzechPrince is really doing a great job. Maintaining any sanity of that board seems to be a futile endeavor.

 

[jax8686]

THANK YOU SCALIA!!!
AND PRAISE THE LORD FOR SOMEONE WHO IS ACTUALLY ATTEMPTING TO BRING THIS THREAD BACK TO THE ORIGIONAL TOPIC!!!
for everyone else (myself included) who wishes to continue with this pointless arguing between denominations, lets start a new thread… and Edwin, just to clarify, when Jesus gave his mother to John at the foot of the cross, it was symbolic of Jesus giving his mother to all of us, as our mother, and following the commandment, Honor thy father and mother, we honor her!! i would like you to try and grasp the fact that we dont worship her, or expect her to do anything for us! the only thing we ever ask of the blessed virgin Mary, is to pray for us to the Lord our God, and thats the same with the rest of the saints… if we had the same attitude as you, we would have asked what denomination you came from, so we can carefully research, missinturpret, chew up, and spit out anything we can find about it, call it lacking the spirit, and then try to judge you… fortunately, although we might be lacking charity from constant attacks such as yours, we have the promise of the truth of Chists Church, and need not lower ourselves to such a childish demeanor.
God Bless You Edwin, I Am Praying For you
if you wish to continue this, please start a new thread on THIS TOPIC

 

[wcknight]

edwinG:

Hi wcknight,
God alone is what is attractive about my faith.And He sent Christ His only begotton Son is what is so attractive about my faith. And Christ sent God’s Holy and Almighty Spirit to us after He ascended so we wouldn’t be without Him, Christ. So now in my faith, I have Christ still, except as Spirit. My spiritual life is not muddled up by confusion . I have Him **alone, **as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Can you understand, Him alone. I dont need men’s wisdom, I need only Him. Christ is my teacher, the Holy Spirit leads me to where Christ wants to go. I cant see Christ but He is real and alive, I dont have all the thousands of rules made by men. I just follow Him. Christ wont lead me to a prostitute, or anywhere or to anything which is sin.( I still sin as I struggle to give up my will completely) My life is simple. He also leads me to peace,abundance and joy.
Why wont you listen to Him also. Life takes on a new meaning when you are under His wing.
walk in love
edwinG

Oh, I do listen to Him and He tells me NOT to listen to YOU !

Jesus resides in each and every one of us, and the Holy Spirit guides us as well as His Church. Jesus left St. Peter to be in charge of His Church, NOT many Churches but one. He wants unity for His Church, not hundreds or thousands of separate entities.

When Jesus gave His disciples the power to forgive sins, He gave that power to their successors as well, He did not intend for us to forgive our own sins. We are to confess our sins to one of His ministers. IF He had wanted us to do that He would have said, ask your Father in Heaven to forgive your sins.

BUT instead He told His disciples “whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them, whose sins you shall retain, they are retained”. He was not talking to each individual member of His CHruch, He was granting the power to forgive sins to His representatives. IT’s obvious your individualized, go it alone faith is all wrong.

Scriptures does not support your do itself version of Christianity. EVEN Jesus does not support your ideas. SO who do I listen to, you, or Jesus. It’s great that you love Jesus, so do we. It’s sad that you only have half the Truth, and you are so blind to your own blindness that you want to lead others down the wrong path. So before you tell folks to remove the splinter from their eyes, remove the beam from your own.

The whole point is we do NOT have the ‘confusion’ in having many, many interpretations for scriptures, if we go to another Catholic Church for mass, the interpretation of scriptures there is the exactly the same as for the interpretation in every other Catholic Church in the world.

IF you go to another Baptist Church or Lutheran Church down the road or across the street, that minister may have an entirely different perspective than your current minister, OR you yourself may have another view than your own minister. SO what do you do ? You or your minister goes down the street and start up a whole new Church.

We have one interpretation, there is no confusion. It comes from the Holy Spirit leading Christ’s Church in a unified manner, that is infinitely better than going alone, and unguided by Christ’s true Church.

wc

 

[RattleSnake]

Edwin,

I believe THIS thread is about an “anti-Catholic” website.

Now… if there were a thread that said… “share your story”… or … “let’s praise our Lord”… and so on…

You would find many many Catholics sharing their JOY and story… witnessing.

We are not doing that right now… we are discussing a website… and a type of thinking…one that I am finding you share as well.

Maybe YOU can start one of these “witnessing” threads in the SPIRITUALITY forum. You may learn something.

Or did you come here not to learn?

Vinko RattleSnake