Ignatius Press can and should produce a complete, one-volume study Bible

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Nobody buys ebooks as gifts, many people don’t like ebooks at all, and even among those who do, many wouldn’t want their primary study Bible to be an ebook.
The only reason I have kept some “dead tree books” Bibles is for their sentimental value.

All of my Bible Study, Bible reading for enjoyment, etc is done on ebook versions of the Bible.

Take the much loved Didache Bible. I waited until it was available online and was quite disappointed that the hyperlinks to the Catechism require wifi access 😦 so, I do not use that one when I am away from the internets.

I can carry many different translations in my pocket, hilight, bookmark, take copious notes, I would be sad to be limited to one Bible translation. Love using the hyperlinks in my ICSBNT to go to the cross referenced notes with just a tap.

eBooks are wonderful gifts! I’ve given them and received them!!
 
Not true at all.
Speak for yourself. I’ve received many Amazon gift cards as gifts, and used them to buy e-books!
That may be true about you and Amazon gift cards, but it’s irrelevant. It’s almost like saying your job pays you a salary, and then you use that salary to buy Bibles, so your employer buys you Bibles! Well, no.

Almost nobody is going to buy an ebook for their nephew who is getting confirmed. Almost nobody is going to buy an Amazon gift card for their friend who’s going through RCIA, and then demand that the friend spend the gift card on the ICSB and only the ICSB. The giftability of ebooks is just vastly lower than the giftability of a single physical book, and the occasional anecdotal exception doesn’t change that.
And many don’t like the idea of toting a 50-lb book around.
Toting around a 50-page book would be a bizarre sort of penance, considering that even large books are typically around 4 lbs., well within the easy carrying capacity of just about everyone.
Many would prefer a ebook to a huge, heavy volume. Especially those with any arthritis.
Are you sure you’re not just saying “I personally don’t like e-books”?
Every metric we have says that physical books are far more popular than ebooks.

In 2018, more than ten times as much revenue was made on physical books than on ebooks.

In 2018, people who only read print books outnumbered people who only read ebooks by more than five to one, and there were more people who only read print books than there were people who read ebooks at all. Also, the older someone is, the less likely they are to have read an ebook in the last year, so it appears to be false that people with arthritis are big fans of ebooks on average.

Nobody is trying to stop Ignatius from producing an ebook. Obviously they should produce an ebook. They should produce a single ebook that contains the entire ICSB, and they should do it right, with good formatting and indexing.

But we all know the full ICSB will be available as an ebook in some form, so it’s not really relevant to the topic at hand.
 
You do realize you’re insulting people here, right?
Seriously? :roll_eyes:
Alright, fair enough. For the record, I didn’t mean to insult anyone else with that quip. If anything, it was a self-deprecating joke: I am a “nerd with academic pretensions” who might buy a three-volume commentary set.

But most people just aren’t, and I have no idea why there is so much pushback on the fairly obvious idea that single-volume study Bibles have a far greater reach and marketability than a shelf reference set. Every serious Protestant I know owns a study Bible. None of them, that I know of, own a multi-volume commentary set. The NIV Study Bible, NIV Life Application Study Bible, and the ESV Study Bible each have 2000-3000 Amazon reviews. I cannot find any multi-volume Bible commentary set anywhere near that; even the most popular ones I can think of have reviews mostly in the double digits.

I would think that we could all get on board with wanting the Ignatius Catholic Study Bible to have the greatest possible reach among Catholics. Piping up with anecdotes about how you would buy a 3-volume set, or you would just buy the ebooks, is just not relevant. I’m sure you would, but this is not about you. You’re the sort of person (like me!) who posts deep in threads about specific Bible commentaries on the Catholic Answers Forums. You are not even close to representative.

No doubt Ignatius Press could publish this great material in just about any format with no advertising and still sell some copies to people like us, but I don’t just want this material to reach people like us. I want it to reach lukewarm Catholics, 8th graders going through the motions of Confirmation, people who are just starting to learn about their Catholic faith, people who don’t know the NAB from the NBA. Those people absolutely do not buy multi-volume Bible reference sets, and they don’t own collections of study Bibles on Kindle either. But they might buy a single good-looking study Bible, or someone might buy one for them, if only Ignatius would publish one.
 
Almost nobody is going to buy an ebook for their nephew who is getting confirmed. Almost nobody is going to buy an Amazon gift card for their friend
Again, I suspect that what you really mean is something like “I’ll never buy an e-book” or maybe “I expect that no one will ever buy me an e-book”. Important distinction. 😉
Every metric we have says that physical books are far more popular than ebooks.
Every metric we have says that e-books are gaining in popularity. By your standard, you would’ve looked at Henry Ford’s automobile sales in 1903 and concluded “more people use horses than automobiles, and therefore, that implies that no one will buy an automobile.” Be patient. 😉
Piping up with anecdotes about how you would buy a 3-volume set, or you would just buy the ebooks, is just not relevant. I’m sure you would, but this is not about you .
Umm… so then, this is about you, though, and what preference you personally have, right? 🤔
 
When I was a kid, part of our ministry was offering low priced specialty Bibles at our events (family gospel music/evangelists in the Protestant world).

The most popular Bible we ever offered was a boxed 12 volume Bible. Each was about the thickness of a thick magazine, making them easier to carry around. There is also psychological “trick” where reading one of those thin volumes in a moth was not daunting, so, people were reading the Bible through once per year.

Anyway, I also have a boxed set of C S Lewis’ Space Trilogy.

Boxed sets are common among avid readers.
 
I admit, when the Ignatius Study Bible started coming out, I had dreams and visions of one day having the whole thing in one volume.

That said, I don’t think it will make or break it’s evangelistic potential. I certainly wouldn’t want to see them take out content just to make it more able to be wielded as a single book. There are other great one volume Bibles—like the Didache Bible, the Great Adventure Bible, and now Augustine Institute has a Bible (which I still haven’t been able to check out yet).

Considering the size of just the New Testament ICSB, it would be difficult (but perhaps not impossible) to get it all under one cover. You’d have to go with thinner paper and make those sorts of trade-offs.

I have Lords of the Rings as both a 1 volume book and 3 volume set, too. 🙂 There are pros and cons to each. It’s not one-size-fits-all.

It would make sense to me to release it both ways—a one volume, mass market paperback sort of Bible, and a three volume set of more durable, archival quality. But I don’t work for Ignatius Press, so I imagine they will do whatever makes the most sense in light of a whole host of considerations I’m not privy to. Either way, I’ll still be recommending it to people.
 
However, a better idea would be to sell it as an interactive e-book.
I have the ICBS volumes (at least, those that have been released and are available) electronically on Verbum. I also have all the individual New Testament volumes in physical format (I bought them all as they came out before the release of the one volume NT). I use them by far more frequently in Verbum. It’s great because when it says “see note on [other book of Bible]”, I can just hover over it and that text pops up. When it cites the Catechism or some such source, I can do the same thing to see those references. It’s a lot easier than pulling out other volumes and flipping through pages.
 
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The reality is that there already one volume editions of the complete Ignatius Bible (RSV-2CE). So if one prefers a one-volume Bible, then the person should purchase one of those single-volume editions of the Ignatius Bible (RSV-2CE)

But it borders on the nonsensical to try cram an extensive Study Bible like the complete Ignatius Catholic Study Bible into a single unmanageable book. It would be like asking for the Navarre Study Bible to come as a single volume book.

I guess the best it one could hope for is a four or five volume set for the complete Ignatius Catholic Study Bible.
 
It would be like asking for the Navarre Study Bible to come as a single volume book.
Yes! I have the Navarre single volume New Testament, and it is MASSIVE. 8 1/2 x 11 paper, and about 4 inches thick.

And that’s JUST the New Testament!
 
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Gorgias:
One word for you: e-book.
Nobody buys ebooks as gifts, many people don’t like ebooks at all, and even among those who do, many wouldn’t want their primary study Bible to be an ebook.
Here’s the problem:

Study Bibles are for study. The bigger the Bible, the harder it is to travel with.

The large, bulky Bibles are often considered “altar Bibles,” “table Bibles,” or “family Bibles“ as they are not really meant to leave the house.

While you personally might be keen to buy a large study Bible and bring it to Bible studies, etc; many are not.

So it might be best for them to simply do it under 2 or 3 volumes. I’m sure there is a lot of money they need to recoup so they can continue their ministry.

But even if they come out with a 2 or 3 volume study Bible first, doesn’t mean they will never come out with a consolidated, single volume for those who really want it.

God Bless
People carry around large study Bibles all the time. It is extremely normal, especially among Protestants, to carry one around in a backpack, or at least to bring one to church and Bible study. It could be normal among Catholics too, if we had a study Bible worth carrying around. Nobody actually reads “family Bibles” or “table Bibles”, and absolutely nobody lugs around three-volume sets. There are vastly more Christians of all stripes who would buy a single good study Bible than who would buy a three-volume set of anything. Only nerds with academic pretensions buy three-volume sets of anything Bible-related.
Well, I guess I’m a nerd. :roll_eyes:

Anyway, I think you are missing the point.

Do you think that Ignatius Press doesn’t do market research? If they decide to release a multi-volume first, it will be because their market research says that a multi-volume will be the best option.

If you look in bookstores (even Catholic ones) the MAJORITY of Bibles sold are compact ones. Larger books are a lot more expensive to print & require more expensive binding.

If a person is taking part in a 6 week Bible Study on the Gospel of St. John, they might be more apt to purchase one volume of the Ignatius Study Bible that contains the St. John’s Gospel for $20 or $30 instead of purchasing a single volume for $50 to $100.

Point is… Ignatius Press knows what their bookstore customers are more apt to purchase for the book shelves. Unlike smaller/niche publishers, they can’t afford to have their Bibles go out-of-stock. And, unlike larger Protestant publishers (who are publishing for all Protestant denominations), Ignatius Press can’t afford to overstock either.

So if they choose to publish a multi-volume first, it’s because their market research tells them that’s what their market will bare.

God Bless
 
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I was curious about my wife’s old Quest Study Bible for comparison (from her Baptist days) and I have to say, I am impressed with how much they’ve fit in there. That thin paper would be a must, though.
 
and you could cut all the “study questions” sections (which I believe the ICSB:NT already did). It should be trivial to get the Old Testament under 2000 pages. Meanwhile, if you cut the concordance, the ICSB: New Testament is only around 550 pages.
BTW - what’s the point of having a Study Bible if you cut out all the study questions & concordance?

If you just want the RSV-2CE, Ignatius Press already published the complete RSV-2CE (aka the Ignatius Bible) without the study notes.

 
Some of us already have the The Ignatius Catholic Study New Testament so we’d welcome the Old Testament as a separate book.
 
unlike larger Protestant publishers
I think this is important to note. Publishers aren’t printers, and the interface between the two is much more complex than “here’s the book, now print it”. Ignatius Press isn’t a behemoth like Crossway (ESV) or Harper Collins (NIV), so their products need to be more targeted per their own market research.
 
BTW - what’s the point of having a Study Bible if you cut out all the study questions & concordance?
The ICSB New Testament doesn’t have study questions or at least my edition doesn’t. It has concordance and indexes, along with word studies and topical essays and of course footnotes and introductions to each Book. For me the main strength is the footnotes.
 
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No doubt Ignatius Press could publish this great material in just about any format with no advertising and still sell some copies to people like us, but I don’t just want this material to reach people like us. I want it to reach lukewarm Catholics, 8th graders going through the motions of Confirmation, people who are just starting to learn about their Catholic faith, people who don’t know the NAB from the NBA. Those people absolutely do not buy multi-volume Bible reference sets, and they don’t own collections of study Bibles on Kindle either. But they might buy a single good-looking study Bible, or someone might buy one for them, if only Ignatius would publish one .
Look, I don’t think anyone here would be opposed to Ignatius creating a single volume as one of the versions they publish.

However, you are the one who is “attacking” Ignatius Press by basically saying they don’t know what they are doing if they don’t publish a single volume first.

We are poking holes in your hypothesis that Ignatius Press doesn’t know their market (which is not just us people out in the internet, but also bookstores).

Book publishers TYPICALLY don’t use the “print on demand” printing services for new books (they tend to only use it when they underestimate the demand for a book - or older books). Plus, “print on demand” is usually limited to “perfect bind” books (the kind you see in most paperbacks & some hard cover) and not “case bind” books (case bind is what most larger books, esp nice Bibles have).

When a publisher hires a printer to print & bind their books, they basically have to buy a large number of books at once to make it affordable.

If their market research tells them that they cannot economically afford to start with a single volume, then they are not going to do it.

Now, of course it all about saving souls and spreading the Word of God, but Ignatius Press can’t do that if a book puts them in the red.

Remember: publishing companies are like movie producers. They take educated RISKS that a book is going to sell and invest a lot of money into the book with the HOPE that it makes money or at WORSE, breaks even.

But if they think it going to be a lose, they usually don’t do it.

My point (again) is that if Ignatius Press doesn’t publish a single volume right away, it will be because their market research tells them it’s a risk.

But it doesn’t mean that they never will. Religious & non-profit publishers (like Ignatius) sometimes seek donations to cover publishing costs of an important book they can’t take the financial risk on.

Or perhaps, they will simply wait until they sell enough multi-volume versions to recoup the investment they made by paying the editors. Then, once they are out of the hole, perhaps they will be able to print a single volume?

Point is (again) - if they don’t do a single volume right away, I’m sure they have a valid reason.

God Bless.
 
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Considering this is the first true attempt to produce a Catholic equivalent of what Protestants have had for over a century. It would end in failure if Ignatius Press did not release some sore of single volume. They could let stand more in depth studies available for purchase separately, but really, if Ignatius fails to produce a single volume from this, they’ve failed Catholics on a most fundamental level.
 
Protestants have had Study Bibles for years and in certain circles it’s very normal to carry them. It can be done, people will buy it, and a single volume that can be carried and used “like a sword” should be produced. We’ve gotten close, but we can do better. It’s our book after all
 
Ummm, I have many Catholic Study Bibles

The Serindipity Study Bible
The Little Rock Scripture Study Bible
Prove It!
The Catholic Women’s Study Bible
 
but really, if Ignatius fails to produce a single volume from this, they’ve failed Catholics on a most fundamental level
So where did they say they won’t? All I see on this thread is a lot handwringing over “what if.”
 
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