Ignorance and evolution

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garysbio seems completely unaware that there is a continuum of taxa in the fossil record. The only reason we don’t have a continuum today is that many species have gone extinct. If we go back far enough, the distinction between mammals and reptiles (for example) is gone.

If anyone doubts this fact, I would be pleased to let them test their assumption by submitting a specimen which they could classify as mammal or reptile, and explain how they decided.

The offer is genuine, although no one has ever had the confidence in their beliefs to take me up on it.
 
GaryS << I’m not going to waste my time answering you since you are either not reading what I do write closely or you are just so deceived by the materialist viewpoint that you can’t understand an opposing view. >>

Reggie << You’re the fifth person I’ve seen on this or related threads to say basically the same thing (confirming what you said). >>

I’d like to put my vote in for The Barbarian as the #1 poster in these creation-evolution threads. He’s taken over. And I’d like to add he is the only one worth reading in these threads. OK maybe a few others too. My top 5 posters in these creation-evolution threads:

#1 The Barbarian
#2 Rossum
#3 Hecd (Alec)
#4 Orogeny (Tim)
#5 Zian

And a few newer folks, sorry I haven’t paid too much attention lately. These are now my personal top 5 since May 2004. 😛

Phil P
 
:o

I, too, probably don’t adequately appreciate many of the knowledgeable people who contribute to these threads, but I have noticed Rossum’s fine posts, and the great geological understanding of Orogeny, as well as Phil’s contributions.

I’d have to agree with your assessment of the other people on your list.
 
The_Barbarian said:
garysbio seems completely unaware that there is a continuum of taxa in the fossil record. The only reason we don’t have a continuum today is that many species have gone extinct. If we go back far enough, the distinction between mammals and reptiles (for example) is gone.

If anyone doubts this fact, I would be pleased to let them test their assumption by submitting a specimen which they could classify as mammal or reptile, and explain how they decided.

The offer is genuine, although no one has ever had the confidence in their beliefs to take me up on it.
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Mammal or reptile?..:hmmm:
 
Note the shoulder girdle. It’s complex and heavy, unlike the mammalian one. And the mouthparts are quite similar in some respects to that of some early therapsid reptiles.

But the ribs indicate a working diaphragm found only in mammals. And there are two occipital condyles, found only in mammals today.

I happen to know this one also lays reptilian eggs, and has a cloaca, like all reptiles. But it’s warm-blooded, and nurses young.

And it has a single lower jawbone, and the two reptilian bones are now quite tiny and disarticulated from the dentary.

Almost, but not quite a perfect transitional. And still found today.
Platypus.

I was thinking of something a little less easy to classify. Anyone want to try?
 
PhilVaz said:
I’d like to put my vote in for The Barbarian as the #1 poster in these creation-evolution threads. He’s taken over. And I’d like to add he is the only one worth reading in these threads. OK maybe a few others too. My top 5 posters in these creation-evolution threads:

#1 The Barbarian
#2 Rossum
#3 Hecd (Alec)
#4 Orogeny (Tim)
#5 Zian

And a few newer folks, sorry I haven’t paid too much attention lately. These are now my personal top 5 since May 2004. 😛

Phil P
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:crying:

I didn’t make the list?

sniff
 
PhilVaz said:
I’d like to put my vote in for The Barbarian as the #1 poster in these creation-evolution threads. He’s taken over. And I’d like to add he is the only one worth reading in these threads. OK maybe a few others too. My top 5 posters in these creation-evolution threads:

#1 The Barbarian
#2 Rossum
#3 Hecd (Alec)
#4 Orogeny (Tim)
#5 Zian

And a few newer folks, sorry I haven’t paid too much attention lately. These are now my personal top 5 since May 2004. 😛

Phil P
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Interesting. I wonder what virtue motivates people to create such lists, or worry about their position on them?
 
Interesting. I wonder what virtue motivates people to create such lists, or worry about their position on them?
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Can’t you tell that Steve is joking here? I’m a bit uncomfortable with such lists myself, mostly because they almost always miss people to make useful contributions to the discussion.

So, let’s get back to the issue. Would you like to take the Barbarian’s challenge on transitionals?
 
So would you like to take the challenge on transitionals? (If you acknowledge they exist, then there’s no need)
 
ricmat said:
Yes, it was obvious to me when I made the post that Steve was joking.
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What me joke?!?!

wacka wacka!

Interesting but OT side note: Behavioral anthropologists have identified a group of cultural universals called the modern behaviors that distinguishes modern humans from our most recent ancestors
These behaviors include both religion and humor
 
I’m not really questioning that but how would you know that Neanderthals or H. Erectus did not have a sense of humour?

Barbi, Are we supposed to find a fossil that disproves transition between species?
 
Thing said:
Are we supposed to find a fossil that disproves transition between species?
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You are asking to prove a universal negative which is something that cannot be done unless you are omniscient. To claim that there was transition between species without fossil evidence to back up the claim is an argument from silence and, therefore, invalid.

Gary
 
Thing said:
I’m not really questioning that but how would you know that Neanderthals or H. Erectus did not have a sense of humour?

Barbi, Are we supposed to find a fossil that disproves transition between species?
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I’m not a behavioral anthropologist so I do not know. I will have to check.

I’m sure there must be a measure of it. Science can’t make a claim without evidence.

Religion, art, humor, they are all a part of higher cognition
 
garysibio said:
You are asking to prove a universal negative which is something that cannot be done unless you are omniscient. To claim that there was transition between species without fossil evidence to back up the claim is an argument from silence and, therefore, invalid.

Gary
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All fossils are of transition species
Just like all species are transition species

There are very good fossil records of the evolution of many species
By themselves they are compelling
When they are coupled with other independent evidence such as genetics they are irrefutable.

Out of curiosity how many “transition” fossils are you looking for to document a change?
If you were plotting line how many points would you want before agreeing to a the trend in the data?
 
Chimps often laugh, mostly during play, but they also display a sense of humor, albeit mostly of the “Three Stooges” variety.

For example, they think potty humor is hilarious. One of the signing chimps accidentally urinated on a researcher, and signed, “funny, funny.”
 
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