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And you know this because why? You’re infallible? Or, are you fallible?You are ignorant and are not responsible for your heresy
And you know this because why? You’re infallible? Or, are you fallible?You are ignorant and are not responsible for your heresy
I’ve demonstrated that they aren’t, let the people who are viewing this thread decide whether they are or not, there is no point in arguing it furtherDespite your repeated denials, your statements are straw men.
Like a typical Protestant, you take one sentence and quote it completely out of context…IN context this is one of two options, the other, being that you are a malicious hereticYou are ignorant and are not responsible for your heresy
Yes I do “capiche.” The underlying notion of invincible ignorance is flawed. God is the savior, capable of saving anyone He desires to save.
Capiche?
Let me help you further: God causes one to be born again 1 Pet 1:3.
I agree completely that God is capable of saving anyone He desires to save.Capiche that?
OK, and let them look at your statements here:I’ve demonstrated that they aren’t, let the people who are viewing this thread decide whether they are or not, there is no point in arguing it further
Look to the post immediately above. I quoted your all of your points.Like a typical Protestant, you take one sentence and quote it completely out of context…IN context this is one of two options, the other, being that you are a malicious heretic
How do you know the authority to which you appeal is infallible unless you, yourself, are infallible?It doesn’t matter whether I am fallible because I do not appeal to my own authority, I appeal to divine authority, you however appeal to your own authority, which is fallible
Your statement is a straw man.Where you seem to lose the argument is the entire concept of free will. That’s where ignorance comes in. God does not ‘force’ one to be saved. He gives us the choice. If someone is unable to make the choice, that doesn’t condemn them to hell. That’s where ‘ignorance’ comes in.
To quote one of my favorite movies, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”Your statement is a straw man.
And you haven’t provided any post #s.To quote one of my favorite movies, “You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.”
I take it then that you are unable to produce the #s of the posts in which I said what you assert I said, is that right?You know, I typed a great deal to post in response but I’m going to instead simply say ‘peace be with you.’ You can’t take a verse here or there out of context, you must take the Scripture as a whole in order to even get a glimpse at the Word of God. The only thing I’m going to quote is the very scripture you quoted to us in order to prove there is no such thing as ignorance of God.
Romans 1:19
Because that which IS known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them.
This verse does nothing to affirm your stance. It only affirms that what a man knows about God is what God shows him, it does not say that God will show everyone about Him or fully about Him. It clearly does not say that every person has a complete understanding of God, nor does it affirm that they can be ignorant of God.
But what it does mean is that your certainty regarding what you think is infallible is a fallible certainty.fallibility means the possibility of being wrong, therefore fallibility does not equal being incorrect
Sir you’ve admitted that you’re fallible, and therefore, everything you believe could be wrong.by your definiton though, i’d have to say yes I am infallible, just to shut you up
if i say 2+2=4 does that make me infallible
if i am infallible am i incorrect if i say 2+2=4
you are fallible, therefore you fail by your own argument
then, like i said, become agnostic…because as soon as you apply this to YOURSELF, that’s what you are stuck withBut what it does mean is that your certainty regarding what you think is infallible is a fallible certainty.